Riptide of Krieg = How much hate?

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**Klaus von Groehm**

So I got this Riptide 90% painted up with a missing head. I like it but I have messed some parts up and it is slightly banged up because I got it used, stripped the paint of and repainted it several times.

Now I got back into slowly building up my DKOK army (I got ADD when it comes to painting - army attention deficit disorder). When looking ant some cable bits I had this idea:

I want to make the Riptide looks like it has been repaired and repurposed by the DKOK. Adding a destroyed look to some of the bad parts of the Riptide, cutting a hole in the top where the head would be and put a DKOK tank commander on top or maybe inside the "belly" of the riptide. I would mostly do this for the love of the paint job.

I am a total noob player but I know Riptides get some hate for being OP. What would be your reaction when someone fields this unit? Also - any concerns fluff wise?

Thanks!

**Sunstripe**

All of the hate.

Imperial forces would never use Xeno technology, Much less the fanatical DKOK.

Its ok to take allies but it is generally frowned on to steal a unit from another codex and just use it. In fact its against the rules.

**Pain4Pleasure**

Sunstripe wrote:
All of the hate.

Imperial forces would never use Xeno technology, Much less the fanatical DKOK.

Its ok to take allies but it is generally frowned on to steal a unit from another codex and just use it. In fact its against the rules.

It's not against unbound, so it's not against the rules, as unbound is a rule.

**the Signless**

It will get the entire regiment *BLAMMED* as soon as they try and act with any other imperial force though. This is not a very fluffy decision, unless you are willing to pour in copious amounts of handwavium and make up some scenario where the regiment with possibly the most comissars would be willing to commit heresy.

**Draco**

That is heresy. Welcome to the dark side.

**Klaus von Groehm**

Haha OK...

0/5 on the fluff scale
4/5 on the hate scale (only 4 since I think it can be a neat paint job)

I won't do it

**ChiliPowderKeg**

Klaus von Groehm wrote:
What would be your reaction when someone fields this unit?

I'd probably say it's neat and ask a few questions about steps taken on converting the model and concepting the idea out. Especially if the final product looks good

**the Signless**

Klaus von Groehm wrote:
Haha OK...

0/5 on the fluff scale
4/5 on the hate scale (only 4 since I think it can be a neat paint job)

I won't do it

I wouldn't give you a 4 on the hate scale. I would ask you about it and play your unbound army just fine as long as you followed the restrictions of the army. If its well converted with a pretty paint job, you may even earn negative hate points.

If want to do it, there is nothing a bored person in China typing on the internet can do to stop you.

**Peregrine**

Why not loot a Riptide, if you think it would be amusing? My DKoK have a Contemptor dreadnought because it would be stupid to waste a priceless relic on a mere space marine. If you want them to have a Riptide then give them a Riptide. It's not canon (or whatever approximation of canon GW has), but it's your army.

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the Signless wrote:
the regiment with possibly the most comissars would be willing to commit heresy.

Actually, DKoK have relatively few commissars because morale is never an issue. Commissars are usually attached to DKoK units to act as strategic advisors, and to occasionally remind them that it is possible to retreat in service of a larger strategic goal instead of always seeking martyrdom.

**nudibranch**

Considering how much money this hobby costs, it's your right to do whatever you want with them, as long as it makes you happy. There's no binding contract for you to adhere to the fluff. Hell, the thing to consider with 40k is that the Imperium is an unreliable narrator; a lot of what is written in the fluff is wriiten from an Imperial bias and could easily be interpreted as propaganda. 40k's fluff is very malleable that way.

**Vector Strike**

You can field the Riptide by itself, but your list will become Unbound and you'll still need to keep the Riptide more than 6" away from your DKOK units - or you'll suffer the consequences of the "One Eye Open" rule.

Or... you can say it's a different kind of leman russ: chop its legs or something and give it tank tracks - like a super-sized Kataphron!

**SicSemperTyrannis**

Orks would like to talk to you about your plans.

**the Signless**

If you do it, please post pictures of the completed product.

Peregrine wrote:
the Signless wrote:
the regiment with possibly the most comissars would be willing to commit heresy.

Actually, DKoK have relatively few commissars because morale is never an issue. Commissars are usually attached to DKoK units to act as strategic advisors, and to occasionally remind them that it is possible to retreat in service of a larger strategic goal instead of always seeking martyrdom.

I have committed the gravest sin of all: fluff heresy. I must make a solitary pilgrimage to a mountain, become a hermit, and reread all of my Warhammer novels to atone for these sins.

**Martel732**

Scatterlasers are worth turning traitor legion to get. You don't need the emperor anymore if you have scatterlasers! Actually, so are Riptides. Actually, why do BA stay loyal again with the gak equipment we get?

**malfred**

Maybe it would matter if GW tried to actually balance their rules
against their fluff.

**Selym**

Klaus von Groehm wrote:
Haha OK...

0/5 on the fluff scale
4/5 on the hate scale (only 4 since I think it can be a neat paint job)

I won't do it

10/5 on the fluff if you're a bunch of renegades though.

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Martel732 wrote:
Scatterlasers are worth turning traitor legion to get. You don't need the emperor anymore if you have scatterlasers! Actually, so are Riptides. Actually, why do BA stay loyal again with the gak equipment we get?

Because shiny perfectionist sparkly space vampires of goodness?

**oldzoggy**

Add a Xenos inquisitor with a Needle pistol or Scythian venom talon and some space monkeys and we all know what is going on there. Nothing to see there ...

On a more serious note
I would be ok with it if your army looked cool and it also includes some not that op units. The kind of army that gave me the idea that you made the cool army you liked regardless of the standard, I like that a lot.
If your army is just a collection of op Krieg atillery + op tau trickery then it would suggest that you just picked the most OP stuff you could grab and it would be quite rage inducing.

For some reason people always want to find flur reasons to include good units. It is quite rare to see a player try to bend the fluff to include some arvus lighters, possesed marines or a nice swarm of vespids..

**HoundsofDemos**

I'd play you but i'd probably roll my eyes a few times. This violate the established background pretty hard and reeks of taking something just cause it's a good unit.

**Deadza**

Why not just use the entire Tau codex and say they are a DKOK regiment that turned to the The Greater Good? There are actual rules for guardsmen that did this plus it IS in the fluff so it would make sense as much as anything else does in 40k.

**Crabbit**

Deadza wrote:
Why not just use the entire Tau codex and say they are a DKOK regiment that turned to the The Greater Good? There are actual rules for guardsmen that did this plus it IS in the fluff so it would make sense as much as anything else does in 40k.

Heresy!

The DKoK would sooner die then leave the IoM. They are trained/brainwashed from birth to martyr themselves for the God Emperor.

**Selym**

Plz tell me someone here is aware the DKoK is not the only siege regiment in 40k...

**Exalbaru**

Yea, it would have to look super good though like tons of conversion and painting time spent. I just wouldn't want to feel like you were taking it just to cheese your stuff up.

**UrsoerTheSquid**

On the topic of heresy commisars and xenos tech. I've always found it hilarious how the face of the imperial guard blatantly brandishs an ORK power claw, and no one really mentions it. I mean, I think straken is the only one with the balls big enough to say anything about it but he seems to be in a grey area when it comes to following imperial doctrine so he probably doesn't say anything.

**reiner**

Nothing wrong with going Renegade. We have beer pong, heresy, and highway litter pickups every third Saturday.

**nudibranch**

UrsoerTheSquid wrote:
On the topic of heresy commisars and xenos tech. I've always found it hilarious how the face of the imperial guard blatantly brandishs an ORK power claw, and no one really mentions it. I mean, I think straken is the only one with the balls big enough to say anything about it but he seems to be in a grey area when it comes to following imperial doctrine so he probably doesn't say anything.

When you've lived as long and been through as much as Yarrick, you don't get that many questions.

**Selym**

Given that he tore it off an Ork Warboss, and then went on to hold off Ghazgkhull twice, I don't think anyone ever bothered with questioning him

**oldzoggy**

Heresy is for those who can't afford exotic goods

**War Kitten**

I would probably look at you oddly if you brought it, but I wouldn't say anything about it.

**pax_imperialis**

Any game I play against either a Riptide or wraithknight I basically consider it a private victory if I blow it up. Rest of the game doesn't even matter.

**KharnsRightHand**

Are you planning on fielding it as a single Riptide with an IG army? Or use it as a converted tank or something?