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Several questions about them.

1) The wikia (not reliable but who cares ?) states that Hruds have a religion, with named deities. So they have a language. Did humans communicated with them before getting killed, or did the explorers just scavenged whatever data the Hruds were keeping and translated their language ?

2) Tyranids + Hruds = ?
It could destroy the entire galaxy.

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 LethalShade wrote:
Several questions about them.

1) The wikia (not reliable but who cares ?) states that Hruds have a religion, with named deities. So they have a language. Did humans communicated with them before getting killed, or did the explorers just scavenged whatever data the Hruds were keeping and translated their language ?

2) Tyranids + Hruds = ?
It could destroy the entire galaxy.


1) We don't know much about first contact between the Hrud and the Imperium but apparently it was during the Great Crusade. Soon after that, they were declared extinct (which obviously was wrong). We don't know if Humans have even communicated with them or simply found evidence of their intelligence but apparently the Hrud retain detailed information about the history of their species and the galaxy (for a few million years at the least). The Imperium might have found this out after wiping out some of their colonies.

2) If the Hrud became a lot more prolific it could be exceedingly dangerous for the galaxy because large Hrud populations can cause whole planets to decay. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking here - if the Tyranids assimilated the Hrud and would they be able to make their own entropic fields? Maybe... and to be honest that is an exceedingly scary thought. The Entropic Field multiplied by Tyranid levels of organisms could be very dangerous. The thing is, we don't know if the Hrud Entropic Field is actually a Warp based phenomenon or a Physics based phenomenon; if it's Warp based - maybe the Tyranid Shadow in the Warp could prevent the fields from working etc. In short; we don't know.

   
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 LethalShade wrote:
Did humans communicated with them before getting killed, or did the explorers just scavenged whatever data the Hruds were keeping and translated their language ?


I would assume that it would be a combination of things seen (and possibly heard) by the human slaves and information gleaned from their settlements after being purged.

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 Otto Weston wrote:
if the Tyranids assimilated the Hrud and would they be able to make their own entropic fields? Maybe... and to be honest that is an exceedingly scary thought. The Entropic Field multiplied by Tyranid levels of organisms could be very dangerous. The thing is, we don't know if the Hrud Entropic Field is actually a Warp based phenomenon or a Physics based phenomenon; if it's Warp based - maybe the Tyranid Shadow in the Warp could prevent the fields from working etc. In short; we don't know.


Yep, that's what I was talking about.

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On the other hand, the Tyranid fleet that consumes a Hrud colony and then takes in the entropic field ability might suddenly, to its chagrin, learn that they, being biological organisms, aren't immune to aging.

The whole fleet shrivels up and dies in a matter of hours.

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 Psienesis wrote:
On the other hand, the Tyranid fleet that consumes a Hrud colony and then takes in the entropic field ability might suddenly, to its chagrin, learn that they, being biological organisms, aren't immune to aging.

The whole fleet shrivels up and dies in a matter of hours.


That entirely depends on if Tyranids actually age --- they might have solved that problem like Jellyfish etc.

   
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Entropy is the natural force of decay. It doesn't matter so much whether or not they "age" in the chronological sense, but whether or not they "decay" in the biological sense, which we know that they do.

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 Psienesis wrote:
On the other hand, the Tyranid fleet that consumes a Hrud colony and then takes in the entropic field ability might suddenly, to its chagrin, learn that they, being biological organisms, aren't immune to aging.

The whole fleet shrivels up and dies in a matter of hours.


Imperiam Hrud Cannons fire!

Just need to find away to contain these pesky xenos.

Something like a modified version of the ghostbusters trap would be the ticket

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 Psienesis wrote:
Entropy is the natural force of decay. It doesn't matter so much whether or not they "age" in the chronological sense, but whether or not they "decay" in the biological sense, which we know that they do.



Hruds seem to be able to control their entropic field. If it is biological, and if nids gain access to it, they would be unstoppable.

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 LethalShade wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
Entropy is the natural force of decay. It doesn't matter so much whether or not they "age" in the chronological sense, but whether or not they "decay" in the biological sense, which we know that they do.



Hruds seem to be able to control their entropic field. If it is biological, and if nids gain access to it, they would be unstoppable.


Hell, even if the Entropic field would effect the Nids, they could develop special bioships designed to simply emit this field.... and then use those as dedicated weapons to deal with particularly hardy foes or ones they don't want to consume - Necrons, Chaos etc.

   
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The Hruds religion follows the last remaining old one, Qah (He who Lingers) who was shattered by Slaanesh like Khaine. His Avatars are known as Umbra, spheres of inky blackness that shifts and morphs to create weapons. I believe it is Qah who is dictating what the Hrud do, when they migrate and where, this seems to be the case as the Hrud seemingly rise up at random once they are in position.

Hrud make heavy use of human Slaves in there work of mines, and it is these humans most of the info will be gained.

Due to there religion of survival, i doubt they would ally with Tyranids. Infact, i believe in a Tyranid invasion Hrud would shrink down under the world to avoid the fight all together.

 
   
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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
The Hruds religion follows the last remaining old one, Qah (He who Lingers) who was shattered by Slaanesh like Khaine. His Avatars are known as Umbra, spheres of inky blackness that shifts and morphs to create weapons. I believe it is Qah who is dictating what the Hrud do, when they migrate and where, this seems to be the case as the Hrud seemingly rise up at random once they are in position.

Hrud make heavy use of human Slaves in there work of mines, and it is these humans most of the info will be gained.

Due to there religion of survival, i doubt they would ally with Tyranids. Infact, i believe in a Tyranid invasion Hrud would shrink down under the world to avoid the fight all together.


This is very interesting. Where did you get your info?

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 LethalShade wrote:
Several questions about them.

1) The wikia (not reliable but who cares ?) states that Hruds have a religion, with named deities. So they have a language. Did humans communicated with them before getting killed, or did the explorers just scavenged whatever data the Hruds were keeping and translated their language ?

2) Tyranids + Hruds = ?
It could destroy the entire galaxy.


Lolno. Tyranids would not be able to assimilate the Hrud. If anything the Hrud would probably slaughter the 'nids and teach them the meaning of fear. Anything that controls entropy itself is probably best avoided by keeping over ten lightyears away.

Also Hrud are most certainly warp spawn, Nids would be unlikely to somehow assimilate their abilities.

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 GKTiberius wrote:
 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
The Hruds religion follows the last remaining old one, Qah (He who Lingers) who was shattered by Slaanesh like Khaine. His Avatars are known as Umbra, spheres of inky blackness that shifts and morphs to create weapons. I believe it is Qah who is dictating what the Hrud do, when they migrate and where, this seems to be the case as the Hrud seemingly rise up at random once they are in position.

Hrud make heavy use of human Slaves in there work of mines, and it is these humans most of the info will be gained.

Due to there religion of survival, i doubt they would ally with Tyranids. Infact, i believe in a Tyranid invasion Hrud would shrink down under the world to avoid the fight all together.


This is very interesting. Where did you get your info?


Unfortunately most of this was gleaned from the book Xenology, which isn't really in circulation anymore. However, since little further fluff on the Hrud has came out since, i'll continue to use it as my primary source.

If your interested, look up the absolutely amazing fanfiction called Warhammer 60K:Age of Dusk. It's about the fruition of every schemers ''just as planned'' goals and the answer to every fluff cliffhanger, but it has some very interesting fluff and insight into the Hrud. It suggests Qah has reassembled and now works as allies with Cegorarch in a grand plan involving Hrud keeping tabs on everything going on in the galaxy and Harlequins manipulating everyone to get what they need*. It infers that Hrud have perfect racial memory, and have been recording everything since the War in the Heavens. It also suggests that the Dark Eldar Mandrakes are Dark Eldar possessed/corrupted by Umbra, which i think makes perfect sense.

*They created, protected and guided the Tau, lure Ghazskull into the Webway where they re-fashion his WAAAGH into the original Krok race, convince the Silent King and the remaining Necrons to bio-transfer themselves into human-pariah bodies, and cages Vect and Commarragh inside the Webway.

** Also, these are Umbra. Yes, they are badass

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Lovecraftian level of badass indeed.

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Just gonna file this thread away into my document of thread links with interesting fluff...

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