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So I'm making a new list that uses the Crimson Slaughter book. Lots of Nurgle-marked Possessed (40 total; 20 in one big blob in a Spartan with a super-killy Lord and two squads of 10), a pair of Hellblades, and a couple of 10-man Havoc squads. The way I have it, one squad has 4 missile launchers (regular, not AA) and the other has 4 Heavy Bolters. Would I be better going half-and-half (2 missiles, 2 heavy bolters), swapping out the heavy bolters for Autocannons, doing both squads with autocannons, what? They're the firebase for what's otherwise a super-fast, elite assault army, so I wanna be sure they can fullfill that role to the fullest! I'd love to get some input soon - the first squad to be converted should be arriving today!

As the list stands, it looks like this:

HQ:
Chaos Lord w/ Daemonheart Armor, Mark of Nurgle, Palanquin, Warlord, Prophet of the Voices, The Slaughterer's Horns, Gift of Mutation, Blight Grenades, Sigil of Corruption, Blade of the Relentless, Bolt Pistol (265)

TROOPS:
Possessed x20 /w Mark of Nurgle, Gift of Mutation (Champion) (600)
Possessed x10 /w Mark of Nurgle, Gift of Mutation (Champion) (300)
Possessed x10 /w Mark of Nurgle, Gift of Mutation (Champion) (300)

FAST ATTACK:
Hell Blade w/ Two Helstorm Autocannons (115)
Hell Blade w/ Two Helstorm Autocannons (115)

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Chaos Spartan Assault Tank w/ Hull-Mounted Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer, Maelstrom Raider, Pintle-mounted Multi-Melta, Sponson-Mounted Laser Destroyers, Armored Ceramite, Dirge Caster, Frag Assault Launchers (365)
Havocs x10 w/ Mark of Nurgle, x4 Missile Launcher (230)
Havocs x10 w/ Mark of Nurgle, x4 Heavy Bolter (210)

TOTAL: 2500

Change your havocs to be all autocannons, by the way it's a cool list just keep that Spartan protected!!

 Intercessor wrote:
Change your havocs to be all autocannons, by the way it's a cool list just keep that Spartan protected!!

Thanks - and I plan to! Maelstrom Raider gives it outflank, which will let it smash into the side of someone's army and just plow through, using their own units as cover. And do you mean just the heavy bolters, or the missiles too?

Missiles too... Maelstrom Rider is my favourite upgrade

Your possessed are 300 pts and you want to foot slog them? You have very little models and will get steam rolled so hard, the spartan assualt tank is durable but once your luggage leaves then its nothing but a brick on the table. Alas ill help you, the first thing you want to do is take off the gift of mutation, it wont help you then take iff the blade of relentless and put on a lc and pf. Then go all autocannons with no marks and 5 man a squad, use the remaing points and either get rhinos for the possessed or get some cultists to cap back field objs. A good way to see if you have a good list is to see how expensive your units are and then what can you get instead of them. But you want possessed for some reason so ya

 -v10mega wrote:
Your possessed are 300 pts and you want to foot slog them? You have very little models and will get steam rolled so hard, the spartan assualt tank is durable but once your luggage leaves then its nothing but a brick on the table. Alas ill help you, the first thing you want to do is take off the gift of mutation, it wont help you then take iff the blade of relentless and put on a lc and pf. Then go all autocannons with no marks and 5 man a squad, use the remaing points and either get rhinos for the possessed or get some cultists to cap back field objs. A good way to see if you have a good list is to see how expensive your units are and then what can you get instead of them. But you want possessed for some reason so ya

I want Possessed because A: they're troops choices in the Crimson Slaughter book, and B: they will play differently than any other army I have. I elected to go without Rhinos because possessed move like beasts - meaning they move incredibly quickly on their own, and they ignore difficult terrain. Rhinos also lack the assault rule; while I may lose models, I'll also likely be getting the possessed into melee a lot faster (which is where they need to be). As for the Spartan, it's plan is to outflank, dump the Lord and his mob, and then roll alongside them to provide cover fire, crack armor, and use dirge casters to prevent overwatch. I also took Blade of the Relentless so the Lord can cut through a weaker unit, buffing the sword and making him able to take on nearly any enemy in melee.

I considered 5-man havoc teams, but I don't need them breaking and running or losing guns early. I could probably drop a few, though; going to need to do some tinkering.

foot slogging possesed is a bad idea, but if you feel that way i would split them up into 5 man squads that way you force your opponent to shoot at each individual squad. if you want to kill weak enemies then take lc if you want to kill any enemy character take pf blade of the relentless is ok if you want it you can have it, as for the havocs take autocannons and cut them to 7 man squads is that good?

Possessed are not beasts, they are infantry unless Crimson Slaughter gave a special rule turning them into beasts. Possessed has fleet which is very different from the move 12" like spawns because spawns are beasts.

Drop the Palanquin, Sigil of Corruption and 1 Possessed from the 20 man blob and put 2 rhinos in the list. Dropping the "Derp-Chair" and one possessed lets the Murder-Lord ride with his pack of train

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Drop the Palanquin, Sigil of Corruption and 1 Possessed from the 20 man blob and put 2 rhinos in the list. Dropping the "Derp-Chair" and one possessed lets the Murder-Lord ride with his pack of train

He can already. The Spartan can carry 25 - not 20. And why lose the Sigil? I'm working with second-hand knowledge from a friend, so if there's something that's already giving him an equally good invul save that I'm missing, do let me know!

 Kepora wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Drop the Palanquin, Sigil of Corruption and 1 Possessed from the 20 man blob and put 2 rhinos in the list. Dropping the "Derp-Chair" and one possessed lets the Murder-Lord ride with his pack of train

He can already. The Spartan can carry 25 - not 20. And why lose the Sigil? I'm working with second-hand knowledge from a friend, so if there's something that's already giving him an equally good invul save that I'm missing, do let me know!

5+ Invul from PotV which can be bumped up to a 3+ from the Lost to the Voices rule

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Kepora wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Drop the Palanquin, Sigil of Corruption and 1 Possessed from the 20 man blob and put 2 rhinos in the list. Dropping the "Derp-Chair" and one possessed lets the Murder-Lord ride with his pack of train

He can already. The Spartan can carry 25 - not 20. And why lose the Sigil? I'm working with second-hand knowledge from a friend, so if there's something that's already giving him an equally good invul save that I'm missing, do let me know!

5+ Invul from PotV which can be bumped up to a 3+ from the Lost to the Voices rule

Ah-ha, thank you! I'll do some tinkering then and see what I can come up with, then!

Possessed *can* be Beasts. They can also gain Shrouded (that also works for the Transport), so it won't hurt to get them for when the dice are helpful.

so you are relying on a 1/3rd chance of gettjng beast rule for possessed?

Shrouded, and the 3++ aren't bad options... except you're going to lose models as you run across the table. I've taken units of 15+ and they can get decimated in 1-2 turns of shooting easily. I would take MSU with or without transports for each unit.

Okay, thanks to help from you guys, here's what the list looks like now!

HQ:
Chaos Lord w/ Daemonheart Armor, Mark of Nurgle, Palanquin, Warlord, Prophet of the Voices, The Slaughterer's Horns, Gift of Mutation, Blight Grenades, Meltabombs, Blade of the Relentless, Bolt Pistol (245)

TROOPS:
Possessed x20 /w Mark of Nurgle, Gift of Mutation (Champion) (600)
Possessed x10 /w Mark of Nurgle, Chaos Rhino w/ Dirge Caster, Dozer Blade (345)
Possessed x10 /w Mark of Nurgle, Chaos Rhino w/ Dirge Caster, Dozer Blade (345)

FAST ATTACK:
Hell Blade w/ Two Helstorm Autocannons (115)
Hell Blade w/ Two Helstorm Autocannons (115)

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Chaos Spartan Assault Tank w/ Hull-Mounted Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer, Maelstrom Raider, Pintle-mounted Multi-Melta, Sponson-Mounted Laser Destroyers, Armored Ceramite, Dirge Caster, Frag Assault Launchers (365)
Havocs x8 w/ Mark of Nurgle, x4 Autocannon (178)
Havocs x8 w/ Mark of Nurgle, x4 Autocannon (178)

TOTAL: 2496

With that extra four points, you should put a combi olter on your spartan... and take off the flamers. With a pack of 20(!) Possessed inside, its going to hit your own dudes. I would also take the frag assault launchers off. All your dudes have frags


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 Aurelian wrote:
Shrouded, and the 3++ aren't bad options... except you're going to lose models as you run across the table. I've taken units of 15+ and they can get decimated in 1-2 turns of shooting easily. I would take MSU with or without transports for each unit.

Decimated... 2 turns and you lost a net 2 dudes.

So the Chaos Lord is by himself? If I recall, I thought the Spartan only has a capacity of 20... follows the tanks?

It looks a lot better. Not very many units, but better.


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 Tactical_Spam wrote:


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 Aurelian wrote:
Shrouded, and the 3++ aren't bad options... except you're going to lose models as you run across the table. I've taken units of 15+ and they can get decimated in 1-2 turns of shooting easily. I would take MSU with or without transports for each unit.

Decimated... 2 turns and you lost a net 2 dudes.

Can you elaborate, please?

 Aurelian wrote:
So the Chaos Lord is by himself? If I recall, I thought the Spartan only has a capacity of 20... follows the tanks?

It looks a lot better. Not very many units, but better.

Are you daft, man? Its 25!

25 models commin' to get you.

The Spartan does indeed have a capacity of 25 - I double-checked in IA13. I'll look at removing the frag launchers - but the Spartan is meant to roll along with the group at close range, so the heavy flamers will be a far greater benefit in helping clean up the back line, slamming tanks with the laser destroyers and multi-melta, and turning the heavy flamers and every other gun onto squads that either aren't going to be assaulted (yet) or to soften them up for assault. At the range it's going to be operating (point blank), I'll bank on the potential for more hits. But hey, I'll magnetize the weapons; if they don't work out, then it costs no poitns to switch to the Heavy Bolters!

I only have one guy that proxies a Spartan and he transports Terminators, but thanks for clarifying.