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Sup dakka,

So I was originally going to make a 500 point starter army but I have changed my mind and I'm going to go with a 750 starter list. Now this will be my first game so bare with me.

Her here is the list,

Kharn the betrayer (160) not sure if I'm gonna put him with a unit of cultists or with the berzerkers.

Hell brute (100) - power first/multimelta

10 x cultists (50) bare bones

10 x cultists (50) bare bones

7 x berzerkers + champion /w plasma pistol and melts bombs in rhino (229)

Rhino /w combo Bolter /havoc launcher

Obliterator (76) - MON

Obliterator (76) - MON

741 points in total, question is what do I do with th last 9 lmao?

Now as this being my first list please don't beat me up but please to give me some constructive criticism. I'm wondering if there is anything you might swap around or maybe do a little different. These are pretty much the models I own other than a chaos lord, more zerkers, regular chaos marines and another obliterator. I'm not looking for someone to say hey! "You ur list is gak you need 20 plague marines a demon lord 5 spawn and a forgefeind". If you think maybe I should pick up something else to add to my list sure but I can't afford a brand new list, yah feel me? I'm Simply I'm asking for some good help/advice to make my first game fun without getting completely shutdown like a damn fool. Like should my champion have his gear switched up a bit, should I drop the havoc launcher for something else, should I drop something maybe and purchase a new model? Any advice is much appreciated dakka as always.

My army is almost complete and ready for battle if ur insterested take a look at my plog in my signature of the models I have ion painted thus far.

P.s, At this point kharn is not an option lmao, I just need to field him as he was the reason for choosing chaos.

Thanks dakka!

I actually kind of like the list, at 750 points there isn't much that Kharn can't deal with. Just hope that nobody decides to bring a flyer.

 War Kitten wrote:
I actually kind of like the list, at 750 points there isn't much that Kharn can't deal with. Just hope that nobody decides to bring a flyer.

Hey war kitten,

That's exactly what I'm talking about, these are the things i need advice with. Can't obliterators deal with flyers, If not what can?

Oblits can do ok at anti-flyer, assuming they hit. But the odds of seeing a flyer in a low points game are quite low, if you want to look into something to deal with it though, you can't go wrong with the good ol' hellturkey, it's actually one of the better things CSM have for AA outside of forgeworld.

good luck.

Personally at 750 i run this.

Lord, MoN, Bike, ppf lc, sigil@ 165

4xSpawns, MoN @ 144

2x10 cultists@100

3x5 havocs with 4 ac @ 345

total 754. so gotta cut something.

 Filch wrote:
good luck.

Personally at 750 i run this.

Lord, MoN, Bike, ppf lc, sigil@ 165

4xSpawns, MoN @ 144

2x10 cultists@100

3x5 havocs with 4 ac @ 345

total 754. so gotta cut something.

Thanks for the post filch but like I said "I CANT AFFORD A BRAND NEW LIST", I'm not trying to win a world tour lmao. Looking for some good old advice to make my list better not completely change it.


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What the hell is a hell turkey lmao?

Buy my army its cheap. PM for good deals.

in the mean time downgrade Berserkerz into regular marines. Downgrade Kharn. run more guys.

so here we go:

havoc launcher off the rhino

2 oblits wont do anything, they need to be taken at a minimum of three total per game instead drop them and take auto cannon havocs or a heldrake for actual aa and heavy support

take off the plasma pistol

if you want a helbrute then i suggest getting a the helcult, they give fearless cultists and provide 3+ cover for the helbrute

For just starting out your army will provide you with an ok starting place. It's hard to run assault armies, especially when your assault is coming out of a Rhino. I'd dump the Helbrute though, really any other unit is better. Just taking the 3rd oblit instead will be helpful. Also Havoc Launcher and Plasma Pistol should be removed (you'll be moving too fast for the Havoc Launcher, and the pistol will kill your champ for 15 points), and use the extra points to get a few more zerkers if you want to fill up the Rhino.

The major flaw you will find is that you have a strong assault unit in a Rhino (obvious problem, but not the end of the world), but it's the ONLY rhino in the army. If your Rhino is disabled (stunned, immobilized, destroyed) you will be stuck. And with Rhinos, disabling it fast is not too difficult.

I think Maulerfiends would complement this nicely, probably better than Oblits and a helbrute. I realize you dont' want to buy a bunch of new stuff though. Do you have more Rhinos?

Ways to help avoid this:

You could just run a basic CSM squad in a Rhino with a Melta/Combi-Melta. Not a great unit but you'll have another vehicle to move up front. Or for a larger threat you can stick a Havoc (or Chosen) unit in a Rhino with 4 meltas. That unit is fairly threatening and so now you will have 2 potential threats in Rhinos, making Kharn a bit safer.

A Maulerfiend (or 2) will have a similar effect for less points. But again it comes down to what you want to buy.

Hey dakka,

After reading all your posts and taking all the advice into account I have come up with 2 different lists. That being said I might still try and run the first list for now modefying it a bit and running the hell cult data slate until I get the new additions to my army. If I do go with the hell cult list what would my army be considered, combined armed detachment or would it be unbound?

Really appreciate everyone's advice here are the two lists

option 1

Kharn (160)

2 x 10 cultists bare bones (100)

9 csm /w 2 melta gun( boltgun load out)+ champ /w melta bombs in a rhino ( 200)

5 berzerkers + champ /w melta bombs in a rhino ( 164)

Maulerfeind (125)

Option 2 ( wondering if I can make it work list on a budget) (749)

Kharn (160)

2 x 10 cultists bare bones (100)

7 berzerkers + champ /w melta bombs in rhino (202)

Maulerfeind (125)

2 x obliterators MON (152)

Really hoping I could make the second list work as it's cheaper. With a maulerfeind added to the list is a second rhino with csm better than the obliterators?

Thanks guys let me know what you think Dakka.

If you use the Helcult it is a "formation" which is treated exactly like a Detachment, such as a Combined Arms Detachment (CAD) in terms of building a list. The units in it are separate from any other detachments. So to build a proper list that is no unbound you would need to make it:

Detachment 1: Combined Arms Detachment
1 HQ
2 Troops

Detachment 2: Formation: Helcult
1 Helbrute
2 Squads of Cultists

So the cultists and Helbrute are not part of your CAD and so do not get any benefits from it, meaning the cultists in the "helcult" are not "objective secured". Instead they get the bonuses of the Helcult (Fearless plus other stuff).

I hope that made sense.

Thanks a bunch unclean one that makes much more sense now