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Toying with the idea of making a marine army, mostly based around knightly grandeur. I'm not that big on the fluff, but would the idea that not all of the emperors children fell to chaos, and that some remained loyal to form a successor chapter be a possibility?
I know I'm free to model anything I feel like, but I do respect the fluff of the game a fair bit so I'm curious as to if anyone would think that would be a viable idea of sorts?

 Sasa0mg wrote:
Toying with the idea of making a marine army, mostly based around knightly grandeur. I'm not that big on the fluff, but would the idea that not all of the emperors children fell to chaos, and that some remained loyal to form a successor chapter be a possibility?
I know I'm free to model anything I feel like, but I do respect the fluff of the game a fair bit so I'm curious as to if anyone would think that would be a viable idea of sorts?

Generally speaking: no. IIRC, it's been well established that half of the Legions fell to Chaos, and in many of the HH books, those portions of legions that didn't fall, were annihilated by the part that did. While I doubt that the gene-vault people have destroyed the genetic coding of the traitor legions, they certainly wouldn't use it ever again in a later founding because of perceived risks.

There are plenty of chapters that are suspected to be of traitor seed. Just say they're made from the EC geneseed

The 34th Millennial, known as the 'Death Eagles' are mentioned by name as being a Millennial of the Emperor's Children that stayed loyal, almost in their entirety. It's pretty strong evidence that the Death Eagles chapter are Emperor's Children geneseed.

More importantly, pretty much every legion had marines fighting on both sides of the Heresy at one point or another. Sure in some cases that number may have only been a few hundred out of a hundred thousand, but that's still plenty of bodies to form a tabletop army.

They could possibly be from the Cursed Founding or a secret AdMech/Inquisition experiment, but the Marines in question would likely not know that they are EC descendants. They would certainly never, ever want that kind of information to get out to other Space Marine Chapters, that's for sure.

Thanks for the feedback. That's a bit of a s hame. I really like the 30K armor style of the emperors children though where I am people don't really play 30K, so I was looking for an excuse that didnt have me playing chaos with a space marine book.

 Sasa0mg wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. That's a bit of a s hame. I really like the 30K armor style of the emperors children though where I am people don't really play 30K, so I was looking for an excuse that didnt have me playing chaos with a space marine book.

There is no problem running the same colour scheme as the Emperor's Children with old armour Most chapters will have different sets of armour anyway!

If it's just the color scheme you're after, the Hawk Lords would be a perfect fit.

jareddm wrote:
If it's just the color scheme you're after, the Hawk Lords would be a perfect fit.

This.
Either that or just say your custom chapter is descendent from EC seed, you can have a similar scheme perhaps?

The Blood Ravens are rumored to be descended from Thousand Sons stock. There's no reason the same could have happened with other traitor legions.

There were a lot of chapter foundings where we have no information. It's entirely possible the Imperium dipped into remnant gene stock from traitor legions in response to some perceived need, or that the Chaos Gods screwed with the seed themselves. It happens.

You could just do a loyal chapter who get obsessed with perfection and nobility in the same way the EC did, without pushing it as far as they did. None of the ideals of that legion would seem out of place for marines in the 40k era. As long as they don't go over the edge into Chaos, of course.

Honestly the good old excuse of "trapped in the Warp" works fine.

It is how I justify my Loyalist Pre Heresy Thousand Sons in 40k with Luna Wolves allies.

LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:
Honestly the good old excuse of "trapped in the Warp" works fine.

It is how I justify my Loyalist Pre Heresy Thousand Sons in 40k with Luna Wolves allies.

The problem I'd have, fluff-wise is that surely someone still has the iconography loaded into whatever shipboard computers there are, so that as soon as they see the '1k sons' or 'Luna wolves' signs, they wouldn't respond to your radio hails, and just try to blow you to smithereens.


Game-wise, yeah, there's absolutely no problem for me playing that way, hell, I've often thought of doing a second SM army, using the Alpha Legion paint scheme on all loyalist gear, items, etc.

Green Army wrote:You could just do a loyal chapter who get obsessed with perfection and nobility in the same way the EC did, without pushing it as far as they did. None of the ideals of that legion would seem out of place for marines in the 40k era. As long as they don't go over the edge into Chaos, of course.

I wonder actually if I could swing my Minotaurs in that direction. I mean, obviously it would likely have to be a segment in which the chapter master isn't directly involved.

They do have the luxury of confiscating and adding traitor chapter armories to their own as said in the fluff. Hmm.

jareddm wrote:If it's just the color scheme you're after, the Hawk Lords would be a perfect fit.

My real interest is actually using this armor: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Emperor-s-Children-Legion-Palatine-Blades-Squad
Minus the helmet + pads.

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In addition, I'm kind of curious. librarians and such have access to daemon summoning. Does anyone know why they would ever, ever do this? Or why any loyal non in-the-process of turning to chaos chapter or librarian or inquisitor would ever do it?

 Sasa0mg wrote:

In addition, I'm kind of curious. librarians and such have access to daemon summoning. Does anyone know why they would ever, ever do this? Or why any loyal non in-the-process of turning to chaos chapter or librarian or inquisitor would ever do it?

Because the TT is an abstraction and not a simulation.

jareddm wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:

In addition, I'm kind of curious. librarians and such have access to daemon summoning. Does anyone know why they would ever, ever do this? Or why any loyal non in-the-process of turning to chaos chapter or librarian or inquisitor would ever do it?

Because the TT is an abstraction and not a simulation.

Or the Librarian might be serving some Radical Inquisitor (perhaps the INquisitor isolated him from his Chapter, and brainwashed him into serving, rest of the Chapter got destroyed and Inq took advantage, etc.)

An Inquisitor is perfectly within their remit to summon daemons... until another Inquisitor says they can't. Then the fun of an Inquisition War begins.

That or just make a chapter with similar heraldry, name, and fluff with an unknown founding chapter and call it good enough.

Why not?

There's already at least a couple chapters that are at least suspected by fans to be EC successors. Like the Red Scorpions.