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At my local place, we were told that we will start a new campaign and we all have to play a fluffy and competitive list
here are the relevant restrictions:
no demi company
must stay true to the fluff
must be a new army (i only own csm)

so i need help in finding a good hq and a close combat unit that can effectively get into combat and destroy things, this list is supposed to be an assault seige army, meaning lots of rapid fire weapons and Armour bane stuff

4X10 space marines in rhino

3x vindicators in a squad

typhon heavy seige tank

1410/2000

thats what i have so far like i said i need to find a good close combat unit and out them in a tank or i have to try to find a good support squad that helps these guys. im stuck between 2 chapter tactics, the imperial fists and the iron hands. thanks guys for the feedback

Where are the devastators? It needs more devs. And Imperial fist tactics... both of those things

Unfortunately Marines don't do CC all that well, for being a jack of all trades army. There are effectively 2 units; however, that might fit the bill. Honor Guard and Vanguard Veterans. Honour Guard have the benefit of coming with power weapons stock and a 2+ save, but they badly need a delivery method (such as a land raider or a Spartan) or they'll get shot to pieces. Vanguard Vets have the benefit of speed (with jump packs), versatility (you get to choose what power weapons you want), and a relatively lower cost (if I remember right). As for HQ's, I would say either a chaplain or a librarian, Chaplains offer fearless and hatred to whatever squad they're in (both of which are good for CC squads), while Librarians have their psychic powers.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Imperial fist tactics...

There is some delicious irony in that.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Imperial fist tactics...

There is some delicious irony in that.

Very delicious

If you're stealing fists, take stern guard as your "chosen", and devastators as havocs since they benefit from IF Chapter tactics the most.


The first company task force formation is also tasty. I might finally have a place for my Night Lords CSM models now.

I would try for some thunderfire cannons with a converted tech marine for great barrage attacks.

 -v10mega wrote:
At my local place, we were told that we will start a new campaign and we all have to play a fluffy and competitive list
here are the relevant restrictions:
no demi company
must stay true to the fluff
must be a new army (i only own csm)

so i need help in finding a good hq and a close combat unit that can effectively get into combat and destroy things, this list is supposed to be an assault seige army, meaning lots of rapid fire weapons and Armour bane stuff

4X10 space marines in rhino

3x vindicators in a squad

typhon heavy seige tank

1410/2000

thats what i have so far like i said i need to find a good close combat unit and out them in a tank or i have to try to find a good support squad that helps these guys. im stuck between 2 chapter tactics, the imperial fists and the iron hands. thanks guys for the feedback

So they said no demi company? Did they also ban Decurion? What about the Admech one that gets you all your special weapons free?

 quickfuze wrote:

 -v10mega wrote:
At my local place, we were told that we will start a new campaign and we all have to play a fluffy and competitive list
here are the relevant restrictions:
no demi company
must stay true to the fluff
must be a new army (i only own csm)

so i need help in finding a good hq and a close combat unit that can effectively get into combat and destroy things, this list is supposed to be an assault seige army, meaning lots of rapid fire weapons and Armour bane stuff

4X10 space marines in rhino

3x vindicators in a squad

typhon heavy seige tank

1410/2000

thats what i have so far like i said i need to find a good close combat unit and out them in a tank or i have to try to find a good support squad that helps these guys. im stuck between 2 chapter tactics, the imperial fists and the iron hands. thanks guys for the feedback

So they said no demi company? Did they also ban Decurion? What about the Admech one that gets you all your special weapons free?

Yea they banned every decurion style detachment so that the older codexes get a better chance at winning



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Thx guys for your comments


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Then if there is no close conbat hq that is good in combat what hq should i get? Chaplains and librarians are not very fluffy

Tricked out chapter masters do just fine in CC. They eat a huge number of points though.

Do you want to be able to go toe-to-toe with giant monsters? Or just be able to blender squads of guys? Becasue if you don’t need to be able to take down the really ugly stuff, most marine HQs will work. You just need to be careful not to send them up against things they can’t handle.

A techmarine might be a fluffy HQ you could work with. He’s OK in a fight, good jack-of-all-trades gear options, and is pretty fluffy for a siege list.

Take 2 minimal squads of scouts and max out on devastators and dpod stern and fast atk flyers.

 Filch wrote:
Take 2 minimal squads of scouts and max out on devastators and dpod stern and fast atk flyers.

Because Iron Warriors always use scouts...

Because you are playing space marines not chaos anymore.

or make your scouts look like Infiltrating chosen of Hansou.


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 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Filch wrote:
Take 2 minimal squads of scouts and max out on devastators and dpod stern and fast atk flyers.

Because Iron Warriors always use scouts...

look here smarty pants. Of course Iron warriors dont use scouts, but guess what? He is using Loyalist space marines and the Iron Hand chapter tactics to represent the Chaos iron warriors better because the chaos codex sucks!

Iron Warriors are known to use the Infiltrating Chosen of past codex in the novel, Storm of Iron.
Scouts happen to have infiltrate so they can stand in as Chosen.

Think before you post thinking you know everything but you dont know CHAOS!