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2015/12/15 08:55:40
Subject: BOLS-Deathwatch vs Tyranids (maybe Genestealer Cult?) coming
Painting metal isn't bad. Conversion work was a bloody pain though.
Pinning metal is horrible. It's something I don't miss even a tiny bit Especially since even pinning and superglue isn't enough to hold some models together. Can you imagine gaming with a Wraithknight cast in metal?
2016/02/16 19:38:02
Subject: Deathwatch vs Genestealer Cult boardgame (rumored AoS and 2nd HH game pg 8)
Not sure I can justify getting a whole box, just for a squad of marines. Wonder what the e-bay price is going to be, and the theoretical individual release price for just them is going to be.
I only need 4 more guys to fill out my deathwatch squad anyway...
Yeah, this is one of the best blurrypic leaks, though, in fairness, it's a pretty good blurry pic I suspect you'll get more than a squad of marines. I mean, there must be some genestealer cult right?
If they package something like 10 deathwatch and 20 genestealer cult in Space Hulk style snapfits for ~ $150, that would be "a great deal" in my mind ($5 / mini). 10+10 would be a decent deal ($7.50 / mini), depending on how usable the minis are for conversions.
If you only want one side of the box, I'm sure you can find someone to take the other half of it.
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2016/02/19 18:42:43
Subject: Deathwatch vs Genestealer Cult boardgame page13 first pic
Ratius wrote: On the wishlisting front what are you guys hoping for? Patriarch, different generation hyrids, new stealers, a magos and maybe a new creation or?
Wishing? A cult limousine.
With Rims!
Remember these guys?
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I really like the new genestealer models. I'm also quite curious if (purestrain) genestealers will get better. That would be cool, as I have like, a half dozen plus copies of Space Hulk... meaning... a truckload of genestealers if I painted them all
Zywus wrote: When GW makes bad models (Fyreslayers, Wulfen) they do deserve the scorn and derision they get. .
That's scorn coming from a subjective point of view, though. I think the Wulfen and Fyreslayer minis are amazing, and they deserve praise for them.
Does this mean we have to settle this dispute...in the Thunderdome?
Is there a point of view that isn't "subjective?"
My point of view for GW is the same as for every other miniature manufacturing company. When they make models that I think are amazing, I buy them, and when they make models that I don't like, or don't fit the projects I'm working on, I pass.
I don't think any company deserves scorn and derision. Besides, if I hopped around deriding every new release for every company that makes models that I think are hilariously bad, I wouldn't be able to do anything else in my life
Incidentally, I said I was going to pass on the Wulfen, because I didn't think they were all that spectacular. When I actually saw the sprues, I liked them more than I thought I would and I actually bought a box. They are actually really nice bits, IMO. The Fyreslayers I love. If I had any desire or possibility of painting dwarves in the next 10 years, I would have bought them, but sadly, that's not going to happen.
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Overall, this is probably the best box I have ever seen from GW, everything is amazing, every last model looks thought out, cared for and finely crafted. If they charge 30 bucks for a single character these days, each model in this box is is good as any single infantry model they've put out to me, so even if it is 200 CAD, it is still a hell of a deal to me.
For the first time in a long time, way to go GW
I think that's the price it will be too -- 100 GBP, 200 CAD, 165 USD. I think it's the nicest big box of models they'll have come out with since Space Hulk. Considering you get 50+ models that look just awesome and that are mounted on regular 40k bases, I'm happy.
Talys wrote: I really like the new genestealer models. I'm also quite curious if (purestrain) genestealers will get better. That would be cool, as I have like, a half dozen plus copies of Space Hulk... meaning... a truckload of genestealers if I painted them all
Zywus wrote: When GW makes bad models (Fyreslayers, Wulfen) they do deserve the scorn and derision they get.
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That's scorn coming from a subjective point of view, though. I think the Wulfen and Fyreslayer minis are amazing, and they deserve praise for them.
Does this mean we have to settle this dispute...in the Thunderdome?
Is there a point of view that isn't "subjective?"
My point of view for GW is the same as for every other miniature manufacturing company. When they make models that I think are amazing, I buy them, and when they make models that I don't like, or don't fit the projects I'm working on, I pass.
I don't think any company deserves scorn and derision. Besides, if I hopped around deriding every new release for every company that makes models that I think are hilariously bad, I wouldn't be able to do anything else in my life
Incidentally, I said I was going to pass on the Wulfen, because I didn't think they were all that spectacular. When I actually saw the sprues, I liked them more than I thought I would and I actually bought a box. They are actually really nice bits, IMO. The Fyreslayers I love. If I had any desire or possibility of painting dwarves in the next 10 years, I would have bought them, but sadly, that's not going to happen.
Seems like a boatload of "subjective" observations.
Hey, I never said that I don't have subjective observations. I just said that I treat GW the same as any other company: I buy their stuff if I like it and can use it, and pass if I don't. In fact, my buying decisions couldn't be more subjective; I never, ever go, "technically amazing, buy now!" no matter what company it is. It's always, "I love it, buy now!" -- not that I don't appreciate technical excellence, or how that contributes towards things I like.
On the other hand, I'm not a fan of deriding any company's artwork. Of course, I'm not impeaching anyone else's right to express their derision
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godardc wrote: I don't think this picture have been posted yet:
Rough translation: "detachable section of rules to play Deathwatch in Warhammer 40,000"
That's awesome! Thanks!
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Fenrir Kitsune wrote: What happen if I buy the game in 6 weeks? No 40K rules, tough you missed them lightweight?
Like myself, and others have said, they're getting official 40K rules in the next 2 WD magazines. If you buy the game in 6 weeks, and can't find the WD issues with rules, I don't think it will be difficult to find them online.
I can't imagine that the 40k rules won't be available anywhere else, ever, but in the absolute worst case scenario, buy the 2 issues of White Dwarf electronically and print the relevant pages. So $10 in the worst-case scenario.
Not to mention that nearly a week before you can get the White Dwarf, every 40k Internet site will have the rules leaked
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DarkStarSabre wrote: That's....very interesting. Their strange not quite snap fit nature looks like it'll be conversion heaven for those wanting to do multiple units - just a SM bits box needed to go nuts.
I want to see the Stealer Cult stuff though. Might be in luck with a sale so may have money- was going to put a huge chunk to 30k shinies but part of me SO wants to do a Stealer Cult....
On the space marine side, they're nearly Space Hulk style snapfits, with the two very important differences -- the shoulder pads appear to have been separated, which makes the models far more useful (or much less work) for conversion, and some of the weapon hands seem to be separate, which is a wonderful thing. It's kinda monopose multipart
The positives about this are that this is a LOT easier for people who aren't into fiddly bits to assemble, especially on matching up arms; and that it will also mean less time to prep, both of which are good things. Plus, fixed poses generally mean getting some nice poses without much work in exchange for the loss of flexibility. In a small box set, I would prefer the flexibility, but in a big box set, this is nice, because realistically, I'm unlikely to have more than a couple of sets of these models anyhow (famous last words).
As with many others, I can't wait to see the Cult sprues Though personally, I'm a space marine junkie, so I have no problem with seeing these leaks first
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OMFG. The Genestealer sprues look AWESOME. BoLS has some leaks. The Patriarch makes me so excited. I love all the modern GW plastic robes/capes/belted robes, a la Harlequins, Sanguinary Priest, Kurtha Sedd, etc.!!
But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!
I don't think they will, I think people are only using that comparison based on the similarity in quality and detail between the $30 clampack characters and the DWO marines.
Does resin count? The Primarch collection is 11 minis for GBP670... $1k+
I was speaking about it purely as a board game. Imagine if there wasn't a compatible miniatures game you were going to use the models for. If it were any other board game, players would cry foul if they had to buy extra boxes to transport their game around. If you bought a copy of Risk, or even a euro game like Carcasonne, and all the little plastic soldiers/meeple couldn't be put back into the box so you could haul it around, you wouldn't be happy.
Well, that's a problem with most boardgames that contain larger multi-piece models. Even if they're snap-fit the desire to put them back to pieces stops once you painted them.
I guess if you don't want to buy another box you just have to wrap the models, put them in the box and use a simple bag for the tiles, counters and cards.
Agreed - My Zombicide models don't get chucked back into the box once painted. Shadows of Brimstone has some BIG boys in it that won't fit back into the box. I agree that for many boardgames it's incredibly handy to be able to fit all of the components back into the box, but with Miniatures Boardgames it's often a bit different to those that use meeples.
It's just not the same thing because most people buy a $150+ miniature board game to have the miniatures; I don't think anyone would pay $150 for a board game without the miniatures. And if you want the miniatures, you're dealing with all the same issues as any other miniature/collectible hobby, which is the display or storage of finished miniatures.
The amount of GW product I have bought over the decades has actually been proportionate to square footage of my home, LOL. When I ended up buying a single-family home for the first time, my miniature purchases (GW and otherwise) skyrocketed, and it wasn't because of either income or ability to buy the stuff -- it was the space to display or store the thousands of models that I wasn't actively using and the shelves full of stuff that I dream of modelling.
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@Median Trace - Yeah, I think you're right. I'll keep my pre-order to just 1 until I see the actual sprues. It's gonna take a long time to get through 50 models anyhow, but at the end of the day, I think this is a box set that I'll have to buy 2 of. It would be nice to have more game tiles, too.
2016/02/29 19:28:17
Subject: Deathwatch Overkill (Deathwatch vs Genestealer cult board game) - Playthru vid p60
Sometimes, I can't believe the interwebs. There are plenty of things to not like GW about and plenty of rules to nitpick on, but I gotta believe that anyone who thinks Genestealer Cult working 'just like tyranids' meaning that they can't BB with tyranids has got to be trolling.
I think any halfway intelligent person who isnt just looking for a problem when there isn't one would take the tyranid line, and replace the word tyranid with genestealer cult. It would have the same icon and the same alliance icons as Tyranid. Which are BB with Tyranid...
Especially since even pinning and superglue isn't enough to hold some models together. Can you imagine gaming with a Wraithknight cast in metal? 
