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2016/02/05 11:29:51
Subject: BOLS-Deathwatch vs Tyranids (maybe Genestealer Cult?) coming
..... well, I may have gotten myself a bit confused about what these actually were, it seems we "may" be seeing these two as a combined set in some fashion, whether that's as another standalone game or as a "starter/campaign" set is yet unclear, although I'm going to assume that these would be unusual choices for a starter box.
The Deathwatch minis are like the Space Hulk ones according to Sad Panda. And these have character, good poses and are pretty interesting for 'monopose' models. This could be a good thing
2016/02/06 13:26:09
Subject: Re:Deathwatch vs Genestealer Cult boardgame rumors (news pg 5)
I read this misconception a few times here... cultists are manipulated humans, parents, PDF forces etc.
But Sad Panda pointed out there are Hybrid(-like) troops. They get born by (Genestealer) infected humans. Genetically they are now alien beasts mixed with the hosts DNA.
Early generation hybrids look a lot like Genestealers. Later ones get more human and can use weapons like firearms. The fourth looks mostly like a human and is highly psychic (called Magus). There are four hybrid generations, with new Genestealers being the fifth one and starting the cycle anew. This has not much to do with Tyranid forces. Except growing Genestealer Cults send a beacon to Tyranids through space - but it takes ages until they arrive.
The original 1st Ed Genestealer army was a two-part army list. One part, the Genestealer Cult, was heavily connected to Chaos worshippers and similiar rebellious forces. The other one, the Invasion Force, was basically a small, growing Genestealer brood (lacking the Magus for example). The 3rd Ed GC focused afaik more on the rebellion type - combining the Hybrid cycle and human rebels but minus Chaos. The original cycle was still there and never got retconned.
Genestealers scout for the Tyranids without knowing - create a cult lead by the oldest one - and draw in Tyranid forces with their psychic beacons growing with the amount of Hybrids, Mind Slaves (like the parents of the Hybrids) in a Cult, and the power of the Broodlord and his Magus.
The first edition GC playstyle was very cool and unique. Fluffwise a new, combined GC and Tyranid army list would only focus on a few days of up to hundreds of years of a Patriarchs life and the Cult.
Not sure if this limitation would be satisfying for Genestealer Cult players. The arrival of the Tyranids is basically the end of the Cult - and that would mean skipping much of the more interesting times of growing a cult and starting the actual rebellion that weakens the planet's population and its defenses.
The new Codex: Harlequins had some pretty unusual rules like the Deathjesters' way of manipulating enemy forces and I can see GW bringing that type of gameplay back for GC as well.
They were basically the Puppetmasters of 1st ed - part of a squad of Genestealers paralyzing an enemy unit via eye contact (a kind of psychic dominance) and the other charging the helpless foe. There were also insta-kill attacks (Facehugger-like) and other elements.
Current Genestealers are only a shadow of their former self.
With the Magus and Broodlord they had very potent psykers too. Some RT spells (rulebook lists for all armies) were overpowered anyway, but they made GC a serious threat.
Also RT's hidden deployment mechanic made infiltrators much better. You had to detect them by getting nearby. Genestealer units could get rules that prevent them from getting attacked until you are within 12". This would make them much better. The Leviathan Dataslate formation that lets them deploy in ruins seems to be a step in the direction a Genestealer Cult army could play like.
Harlequins get a kind of additional game turn. Why not bring back the older elements of the GC cult?
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2016/02/08 09:06:49
Subject: Deathwatch vs Genestealer Cult boardgame rumors (news pg 5)
According to Hastings and Sad Panda it starts with a boardgame like Calth. Both are very reliable sources - this is basically confirmed, release Q1/Q2 2016. They also pointed out that miniatures from the box and new kits will be released later. Hastings had heard - but he said this is not 100% - there could be Genestealer Cult and Deathwatch Codizes coming with the miniatures, like Harlequins and Tempestus got books even though they are part of other factions. We have no idea yet if Genestealers will be removed from Codex: Tyranids.
In case of Execution Force it took ~6 months for the Assassins to get released individually.
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2016/02/15 15:43:15
Subject: Deathwatch vs Genestealer Cult boardgame rumors (news pg 5)
They were in at least one of the Space Hulk expansions, called Genestealer. They were a wonderful 40k army too, we played many tense games with them in 1st and 2nd Edition (although in 2nd, like Squats, they were feeling the lack of interest in the Studio).
unmercifulconker wrote: I didnt know Space Hulk Deathwing will have hybrid enemies. I was watching an old Angry Joe interview and the developers were talking with GW for a while on bringing hybrids back. It will be interesting to see if in-game models look similar to the new plastics.
Yes, they did confirm having Hybrids in the DWPC/Console game. Shield of Baal fluff mentioned them as well.
In the trailer for Deathwing PC from last year there were burned corpses that looked more like humans than Genestealers. I do not agree with the opinion that these could be hybrids. They look like servitors to me
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2016/02/15 22:10:04
Subject: Deathwatch vs Genestealer Cult boardgame rumors (news pg 5)
It does Welcome to the topic, I agree with what you are saying. Monopose (well done like those in the newest Space Hulk editions) allows for more characterful miniatures. Hopefully they will turn out to be a good start for converting chapter specific character models.
Warhams-77 wrote: Maybe the Deathwatch miniatures will be based on the main characters from the Black Library ebook series.
Oh you utter tease...
Please make this be true. Cantankerous Lamentors Dreadnought, Soulless Exorcist etc etc
Careful, I hope I wasn't misunderstood. I don't know if this is the case. That series of short stories each based on a character just felt like a good basis for a game. Space Hulk's Blood Angel miniatures had names, portraits, little backstories and a novel, too. Maybe Black Library is already introducing the characters from the box? I'm just speculating though.
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2016/02/16 11:10:42
Subject: Deathwatch vs Genestealer Cult boardgame (rumored AoS and 2nd HH game pg 8)
MajorTom11 wrote: As someone who put a lot of time and effort into the subject matter, I really hope they have true hybrids (hopefully even all 4 generations) and not just cultists - purestrains and nothing in between.
Don't worry, Hybrids are coming according to Sad Panda
We are not sure about the hybrid cycles (including the Magus) yet but these more specific models could come later when GW brings the multi-part kits and - most likely - rules for 40k.
Enjoy the ride until we have the game in our hands/claws
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2016/02/17 14:23:16
Subject: Re:Deathwatch vs Genestealer Cult boardgame (rumored AoS and 2nd HH game pg 8)
Infestation of Orks and Eldar is known in the fluff. I'm not sure sure about Ogryns, Squats and other (ab)human factions
For those who would like to read the Genestealer Cult fluff - the first pages of the original army list (White Dwarf 114) and the story of Dryaktylus (WD 118)
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NSFW (mild gore)
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2016/02/17 14:50:20
Subject: Re:Deathwatch vs Genestealer Cult boardgame (rumored AoS and 2nd HH game pg 8)
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