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I notice TONS of people quitting, and Dakka is at an all time low from an activity standpoint it seems...

Nah, there are loads of "Getting started" topics on here and reddit all the time.

It probably isn't. My local store is still going strong, and I'm slowly trying to work my way back into it. Even thinking of picking up Eldar and once the new Nid book drops, building upon my Tyranids a bit more.

I would ignore what people say on here in regards to quitting the hobby for the most part. People just love to complain, I have zero complaints at my FLGS we have a huge crowd and more people are joining every other week it seems.

It's super dead in my area, had 3 flgs spread over the main towns locally, now there is zilch and nobody is even remotely interested in 7th after the experience of 6th.

Anybody want a game of 30k?

Tiny mobile keyboard spelling mistakes - Edit

Well, then again, the tournament scene is dying, in my opinion. And around here its certainly true.

We can only hope that GW goes out of business and someone competent gets the IP.

40k is alive and well up here in Canada

flgs hasn't been active with 40k around my area since 5th edition. They're all playing other games now.

Star Wars does appear to be sucking a lot players over. Can't blame them a bit.

40k seemed to be dying out around my area, each time I went to the FLGS it seemed like 40k nights were getting smaller and the store was planning them further and further apart, the local GW as well seemed to be a ghost town compared to what it was in years gone by....

But the past few times I've been past the local GW there's actually been a decent crowd there, and none of them were playing AoS or LotR, so maybe 40k has gotten a 2nd wind.

40k isn't dying, at least not completely. The models continue to sell, which frankly is the most important factor in a game continuing to move forward.

Is the 40k "scene" dying? Somewhat. I think that the big, national/regional events are going strong, although I heard rumblings that even Adepticon had room in some events in the last few years. Also, smaller, garage-hammer type groups keep going.

What seems to have dwindled is the middle class. Pick up and play nights, local tournaments, that sort of thing.

It can't really be 'dying' if it's selling £85 million of product a year.

In my local area, we've actually had a solid influx of new players. Several of the players who got burnt out and went to play different games are starting to come back. We have tournaments about once a month at the local game stores. I'm currently in both an escalation league and an ongoing campaign. Tuesday nights and Saturdays both frequently see 40k games being played.

My city isn't huge, but we still have three game stores that support 40k plus a hobby store that at least sells the models. A relatively small town not too far away is holding its own tournament this weekend, and the local group is hosting a GT-style event in a few months.

So no. I'd say 40k seems perfectly healthy here in my area. The internet just has a habit of declaring that the sky is falling.

The tournament scene is probably a bit less strong than before as the current edition encourages negotiating good games with your opponent in advance and doesn't have the tightest of rules sets, but that's not too big a problem for me. Tournaments have always favored a couple armies over every other book that was out at the time, so the ramped-up power imbalance isn't too big a deal to me either.

40k isn't dying, despite what appears to be GW strangling it's own IP to death. What we are seeing is the natural progression of a niche hobby attempting to weather the gobal economy while trying to retain it's place as a global leader. 40k's audience has aged, and newer, younger blood aren't coming into the hobby like they use to. Yet, GW has diversified their IP into other genres, and those genres are doing great! And their core just keeps getting better, which does attract young bloods while keeping us long fangs full (one might even say bloated).

The sky isn't falling, Chicken Little.

SJ

That's too bad. GW deserves to fail.

Not in Oslo. My LFGS' wh40k is going very strong, though it could be different at the GW.

I've not played here for long enough to actually say whether X-wing, Warmachine etc are actually getting more players though.

Martel732 wrote:
That's too bad. GW deserves to fail.

Do you want your models to be worthless?

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
That's too bad. GW deserves to fail.

Do you want your models to be worthless?

They are BA models. They already are.

Martel732 wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
That's too bad. GW deserves to fail.

Do you want your models to be worthless?

They are BA models. They already are.

Forge the narrative!

The narrative of me dying and Xenos laughing at me? Yeah, thanks GW.

Martel732 wrote:
The narrative of me dying and Xenos laughing at me? Yeah, thanks GW.

Git Gud?

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
The narrative of me dying and Xenos laughing at me? Yeah, thanks GW.

Git Gud?

Hahahah. Git Gud with BA? I welcome you to try. I had a new record a few weeks ago... Eldar forced 74 armor saves in one turn. Two more than the old record.

I believe the problem stems from all the new releases. For me at least, It's really hard to get excited about 40k. Every new thing i see i compare it to a Knight, or Wraithknight, or Scatterbikers, or Decurion. New Mont'ka? some cool stuff, but none of it is better then Tau book formations.

Wanna get excited about a new Tau book? Nah, just a reprint. That makes me wonder if that's all Dark Eldar will get. Our latest book removed almost all of our flavour, i believe we now have below 10 unique special rules, 3 of which are dodge.

In a game where nothing is balanced, and the community has to balance itself in what games are deemed fair or not, you're obviously going to have problems of people not seeing eye to eye, which inevitably disenchants you with the game.

At least it has for me at any rate.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
I believe the problem stems from all the new releases. For me at least, It's really hard to get excited about 40k. Every new thing i see i compare it to a Knight, or Wraithknight, or Scatterbikers, or Decurion. New Mont'ka? some cool stuff, but none of it is better then Tau book formations.

Wanna get excited about a new Tau book? Nah, just a reprint. That makes me wonder if that's all Dark Eldar will get. Our latest book removed almost all of our flavour, i believe we now have below 10 unique special rules, 3 of which are dodge.

In a game where nothing is balanced, and the community has to balance itself in what games are deemed fair or not, you're obviously going to have problems of people not seeing eye to eye, which inevitably disenchants you with the game.

At least it has for me at any rate.

I hear you man, I left DE for Daemons, and I won many a RTT with DE... Was just time to move on, GW sucked the life out of that army for me.

I don't move on because I strive to give GW minimal money. I probably should just quit. But I've got the models and no one will buy BA. I could add an IK or two, but then it would be a half-assed IK list with gakky BA allies.

I think it varies from place to place; the current state of the game is more appealing to some but not to others. What I've recognized in my area is that more people only game with their close friends, since they don't want to keep haveing the sort of discussion GWs forcing you to have before a game. I've noticed some people who were playing WHFB completely abandoned GW when they dropped that game's support. Many more veteran players are abandoning 40k proper in favor of 30k because they don't want to deal with game imbalance to the extent 40k now does.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
That's too bad. GW deserves to fail.

Do you want your models to be worthless?

*looks at her IG army* well about that thing.

It does not seem to be getting many new players or new players in general, at least in my country. AoS did not help w40k either, people don't want to go in to a system that maybe made unplayable in a year or two. So they go to safer systems like x-wing or warmahordes. Even ifninity is doing realy well, and I thought it would never do with all those metal models.

What I think (hope) you're seeing is a result of bad decisions that were made years ago. GW backed themselves into a corner with really expensive codexes, rulebooks, and miniatures that resulted in a ridiculously high barrier to entry. Now that there are other game systems that are easier (cheaper) to get into, you may begin to see an increase in new 40k players, but I wouldn't hold your breath. GAMESworkshop needs to realize that they are in fact a game company and put more effort into balancing and rulemaking their most complex game system. Allies, Formations (in their current state), and LOW/Strength D shenanigans are great for getting people to buy huge super-expensive models, but they're terrible for the game and make it impossible to balance.

But hey, that's just one guy's opinion.

Judging by GW's sales figures, 40k has been declining since about 6th.

I'm not sure if 'dying' is the right word, but GW do seem hell-bent on alienating all but their most die-hard fans.