Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So I just got back in to the game,
I played a very long time ago and then just painted for a while due to no shops around.

Now I am back into it and picked up the space marines codex.
I am looking to start playing again at a competitive level only because the people around me also do.

So I was interested in picking up white scars and starting them. After watching a few battle reports and checking out strategies I found out I want to play the Gladius version with rhinos. I am confused though. My points are not adding up with the current things I see.

Here is a list for refence that I found on Dakka


White Scars Battle Company Size Cost
HQ
Khan 1 125
Chaplain - Hunters Eye 1 110
CCS - 5x Melta Gun, Drop Pod 5 130

Troops
Tactical Squad - Combi-Grav, Grav Cannon, Rhino 5 115
Tactical Squad - Combi-Grav, Grav Cannon, Rhino 5 115
Tactical Squad - Combi-Grav, Grav Cannon, Rhino 5 115
Tactical Squad - Combi-Grav, Grav Cannon, Rhino 5 115
Tactical Squad - Combi-Melta, Melta Gun, Multi-Melta, Dpod 10 170
Tactical Squad - Combi-Melta, Melta Gun, Multi-Melta, Dpod 10 170
Fast Attack
Attack Bike - Multi Melta 1 50
Attack Bike - Multi Melta 1 50
Heavy Support
Devesators - 2x Grav Cannon, Rhino 5 140
Devesators - 2x Grav Cannon, Rhino 5 140

10th Company Task Force
Scouts 5 55
Scouts 5 55
Scouts - Sniper Rifles 5 60

For instance why aren't my devestator squads at 140?
Or maybe how do they get there?
Also the tatical marines are not adding up.

It honestly could be me but I am just really confused

And since this is a Gladius strike force shouldn'tthe vehicles be free. I think the tactical marines have the cost of the rhinos in the list. Or does itc not allow free vehicles.

Well, what IS your list? It's kinda hard to tell without a link to the list.

Also, what are you doing the list on? Battle scribe? Pen and paper?

I want to replicate the list above. I was just going by what was on the page. I am doing it pen and paper.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I get the tatical marines,
70 pointer per unit of 5. Upgrade to higher character 10 points the Rhino 35 points . = 115. But idk how the debs got like that.

 SpacePup1987 wrote:
And since this is a Gladius strike force shouldn'tthe vehicles be free. I think the tactical marines have the cost of the rhinos in the list. Or does itc not allow free vehicles.

You have a Combined Arms Detachment and a 10th Company Task Force Formation. You don't have a Gladius Strike Force.

Oh I thought it was? What would I be missing?
Looks like everything would be there for it

I'm not really understanding, the list doesn't list a Veteran Sergeant and you acknowledge the Rhino is free.

5 Tac marines (70), combi grav (10), grav cannon and amp (35) = 115. What's the problem?

I did not know the grav cannon needed the amp.
Again I am new to this edition.

It's not a case of it needing it, it just has it in the wargear list entry.

 SpacePup1987 wrote:
What would I be missing?

It's not what's missing, its what's there. For example, the Battle Demi-company tells you that you are required to have three Tactical squads. You have six, which is not three. Formations tell you exactly what units you can take and in what quantities, nor are they a part of a Force Organization chart. So while you do have the proper components for two Battle demi-companies, you have them all listed as a single CAD and if you're using something like Battlescribe you'll have problems with it.

So when I read my codex it indicates that if under ten models on model can take anything from the special or heavy weapons list.
S9 the sergeant can take anything from the ranged list.
So I am just confused to why you have to pay for the grav and combi.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Ghaz wrote:

 SpacePup1987 wrote:
What would I be missing?

It's not what's missing, its what's there. For example, the Battle Demi-company tells you that you are required to have three Tactical squads. You have six, which is not three. Formations tell you exactly what units you can take and in what quantities, nor are they a part of a Force Organization chart. So while you do have the proper components for two Battle demi-companies, you have them all listed as a single CAD and if you're using something like Battlescribe you'll have problems with it.

It was just the way the list was I figure that it probably is Gladius.

Formations such as the Battle Demi-company don't have a Force Organization chart. If you see mention of 'Troops', 'HQs' and the like it is most likely referring to a Detachment. While the list you found works as a Gladius, it was presented as a Combined Arms Detachment with a 10th Company Task Force Formation.

I get it now thanks for all the help!

 SpacePup1987 wrote:
So when I read my codex it indicates that if under ten models on model can take anything from the special or heavy weapons list.
S9 the sergeant can take anything from the ranged list.
So I am just confused to why you have to pay for the grav and combi.

Because the wargear list you're referring to tells you that you need to pay the points indicated:

"SPACE MARINES WARGEAR LIST

These lists detail the points values of various items of wargear available to units in your army. Many unit entries in the datasheets that follow may include wargear options from one or more of these lists – in each instance, the army list entry will tell you (in bold text) exactly which of these lists you may use. Rules for these items can be found in the Appendix."

Wow you guys are awesome, thank you so very much

 Ghaz wrote:

 SpacePup1987 wrote:
What would I be missing?

It's not what's missing, its what's there. For example, the Battle Demi-company tells you that you are required to have three Tactical squads. You have six, which is not three. Formations tell you exactly what units you can take and in what quantities, nor are they a part of a Force Organization chart. So while you do have the proper components for two Battle demi-companies, you have them all listed as a single CAD and if you're using something like Battlescribe you'll have problems with it.

While battlescribe and formatting would screw with things; what is there is a valid gladius with 2 demicompanies containing a captain and a chaplain.

As far as all things are concerned the problem is simply formatting.

A gladius with 2 demis is exactly the dame units, just split into 2 elements(and all benefits are already shared anyways).

As to "HQs" "Troops" and the likes; all detatchments have the battlefield roles, it is an inherent part of the unit entry. FOC detatchments are the only ones that refer to them a "slots" however.

For instance: a techpriest engineseer is an IG HQ that does not take up a slot and cannot be used to fulfill your mandatory hq requirement. It is also found in a few of the mont'ka formations; it is still an hq battlefield role.