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Or are all the rules for marine chapters, Mechanicus, and solar auxilla?

As an Allied Detachment, it wouldn't work for any 30k army yet except Word Bearers, as far as I know.

However, since Codex: Chaos Daemons is used by Word Bearers (and potentially any army that uses Maleficent Daemonology), it stands to reason that Codex: Chaos Daemon could be used as a standalone. Daemons existed at the time fluff-wise, so I seriously doubt anyone would give you grief over it. I for one would welcome it.

Take a peek at the rules for Corbax Utterblight and Samus...

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Corbax_Utterblight.pdf

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Samus_Daemon_Prince_of_the_Ruinstorm.pdf

They both state that you can use them as your warlord of a codex daemons primary detachment in 30k (lord of the ruinstorm) - rejoice in the new lease of life your army has been gifted, and then BURN, HERETIC!!!

Daemons are in fact usable in 30k, as a primary detachment and as allies to word bearers and tainted flesh/cult horde imperial cults. If you're starting a word bearers force then I'd say they're good for use as a primary detachment until you get more word bearers, and use the word bearers as allies.

Indeed. I would either take them as allies to Word Bearers or a Warp Cult list (if trying to do Calth) or else go with pure Daemons (for Signus).

But yes, given the Lord of the Ruinstorm warlord trait, as far as I can see that's indirectly but pretty blatantly confirming that you can use Daemons as your primary army.

It'll be interesting; few armies in HH muster large amounts of psykers and fewer still have access to malefic daemonology. Plus, monstrous creatures are rare so few people will turn up armed to deal with a Greater Daemon - which are one of the few things which can seriously inconvenience a Primarch.

ally them with word bearers, yes. Also, they would work on their own just fine fluff and rules wise as it was daemons who tied up blood angels so long

A greater deamon will be a speed bump to most primarchs, nothing more, Angron will shred a bloodthirster, mortarion, vulkan and alpharius all have instant death weapons, so a single failed wound and dead greater deamon.

All primarchs should cause serious trouble to a a greater daemon, given that the daemon is worth half their points.

They'll win, but it won't be easy for many of them.

For example, whilst Angron will win an extended fight with a 'normal' Bloodthirster, he's unlikely to do it in a single round of combat. He can, and it's far from impossible, but the odds of it are low, especially if the latter has toughness-boosting gifts. Two rounds of attacks with his axes, yeah - dead bloodthirster.

A Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage, however, only really needs one round of combat on the charge to dismember the Primarch; it should land five-and-a-bit destroyer hits, and if any of them are a Deathblow result, Angron goes down.

Mortarion's scythe, I think, is unwieldy as well. So youre garuanteed to strike before your inevitable, simultaneous, murderisation.

I should underline that a Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage is not going to "beat" an unwounded primarch. However, "take him with me" is a more realistic aspiration, and a 275 point HQ bloodthirster is a lot more expendable than a 350+ point Lord Of War....


Equally, a Great Unclean One can be a mastery level 3 biomancer - giving it good odds of either Iron Arm (toughness 10) or endurance (eternal warrior). In the latter case vulkan can still insta-splat it, and horus can still use worldbreaker to good effect, but a lot of other primarchs will seriously struggle to wound a T10 target, especially one with a decent invulnerable save.

Finally, a Keeper of Secrets has access to that most coveted of psychic disciplines, Telepathy. Nothing is ever guaranteed, of course, but again, Invisibility can cause serious conniptions for someone not used to hitting on 6's.

Daemons in 30k worry me. Always scoring units, fear, and unparalleled amount of Psychic dice. Scary.

Why would you assault a primarch or let him get near your winged MC daemons anyway? And Be'lakor, don’t forget about him.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Or are all the rules for marine chapters, Mechanicus, and solar auxilla?

To find out if it can work in 30k ask yourself one question. Is it a space marine or a robot chicken if not tough luck.

Daemons don't have any special rules in 30K sans their special characters, but in power-level they can easily compete with just about anything 30K has to offer with the exception of like, titans I guess.

A greater daemon with no buffs will be a speed-bump to a Primarch- a greater daemon with a 2+ invulnerable save will tie him up for the entire game while costing half the points.

Personally I think you'll find a massive difference in power of armies. I know this is debatable but marines not having fearless / ATSKNF, grenades etc makes them buffed orcs. Your demons will talk through 30k marines.

Depends on the army you've built. Monstrous creatures are a big deal precisely because there are so few in the game.

Ditto cheap psykers. Ditto Fear.

On the other hand, massed light infantry (which is what warrior pack daemons are) are something legion tactical marines excel at murdering, even compared to their 40k brethren. Fury of the Legion Rapid Fire is terrifying, and massed Volkite fire is worse....

Always scoring units

You won't get Objective Secured. A 30k daemons army still uses the Age of Darkness detachment - only troops score, meaning no parking a great unclean one on an objective and going 'come on, then!'

Around 6 of my last ten games were using daemons vs various 30k armies. It's great fun. I would recommend it highly, but there's definately a 'sweet spot' where the ideal points overlap. In my experience 2500-3500 would be a good range, because 30k has a higher 'standard size' game.