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Quick question, are the miniatures in this game able to be used in 40k armies or are they their own thing?

....Why would they not be usable in 40k? You have thirty tactical marines, a contemptor, a chaplain, a (horribly equipped) terminator captain, and five terminators. Why would you think they wouldn't be usable in 40k? They're no different than the Assassin minis, and unlike Space Hulk they come with proper bases.

Well I have no Idea, I am just getting into 40K so I am not 100% sure whats what at the moment.

So for all those models do you just use the standard codex versions?

- Thanks

acrylicsentinel wrote:
Well I have no Idea, I am just getting into 40K so I am not 100% sure whats what at the moment.

So for all those models do you just use the standard codex versions?

- Thanks

Only the Contemptor Dreadnought requires special rules found in Imperial Armour 2.

Try to be aware of what you're getting, and how helpful it will be to your 40k army.

You get 3 sets of 10 tactical marines that come on 3 sprues each. Each set builds lets you have 1 heavy weapon (they all share the same upper left arm), but you can build several special weapons, as those can fit into some of the standard bolter configuration arms. Nothing stops you from building a Melta, plasma, and flamer guy (or 3 of each). you also get a combo, and like most new kits, they are shared parts, so you can only squeeze 1 combi out of each set. There is no grav.

You get the catapractii, which are super cool, but pretty useless in 40k. There is the contemptor, which ive never fielded in40k.

Then, there are 2 heroes: you can definitely use both. The chaplain can be easily converted to a non-chaplain model.

 Talys wrote:
Try to be aware of what you're getting, and how helpful it will be to your 40k army.

You get 3 sets of 10 tactical marines that come on 3 sprues each. Each set builds lets you have 1 heavy weapon (they all share the same upper left arm), but you can build several special weapons, as those can fit into some of the standard bolter configuration arms. Nothing stops you from building a Melta, plasma, and flamer guy (or 3 of each). you also get a combo, and like most new kits, they are shared parts, so you can only squeeze 1 combi out of each set. There is no grav.

You get the catapractii, which are super cool, but pretty useless in 40k. There is the contemptor, which ive never fielded in40k.

Then, there are 2 heroes: you can definitely use both. The chaplain can be easily converted to a non-chaplain model.

Also if you just buy a devastator and assault squad set, you have an instant legal Demi Company Formation.

Talys: I’d have to double check my instructions, but I thought the HB was basically a swap from a normal bolter guy when I was building it.

Wyzilla: With some creative assembly you can get them out of the box. Each tac sprue has a bolt pistol and a chainsword. You should have the parts to make a 5 man assault squad. Give two guys flamers, two chainswords, and the sarge a power sword. Devs can just be 3 heavies, rather then 4. Might not be optimal, but 3 MLs can do some good. You end up with a full 10 man tac squad, 2x5 tacs, and then the AM/Devs. I’d build the 10 man HB/P, c-plasma. the 5 men melta/c-melta, and the specialists as above. The dread can be played with normal 40k rules if you don’t have access to FW stuff. It’s not like he’s got esoteric wargear. MM or assault cannon, powerfist with a SB.

Of course, if you go with the demi-co, it’s hard to fit in the terminators. Not a huge loss, competitively. I carved the c-melta off my captain and added a lighting claw to the back of his gauntlet. As conversions go, not hard. And lightning claw/chainfist is not a bad CC optioin.

The cataphractii termis come with the same load out as SM termis sans the th/ss. Power fist, lightning claws, chain fists, stormbolters, combi-weapons, and the one power sword for the sargeant. I personally made mine all lightning claws and run it with a Void Claws formation for Space Wolves. Ill use the rest of the stuff to convert other termis up later on.

The only exception for the termi models is the captain which set with stormbolter/combi weapon and chainfist.

Pretty much every model in the set has a 40k counterpart. That Tac marines are usable as Tac Marines. The Termies can either be built as Assault Termies with Lightning Claws, or with Storm Bolters/Power Fists, there's also a few other weapons in there for the Termies. The Captain is a TDA Captain, the chaplain works as a chaplain. The contemptor could be used as a venerable dread if you don't want to use Imperial Armor

 Fallenbourne wrote:
The cataphractii termis come with the same load out as SM termis sans the th/ss. Power fist, lightning claws, chain fists, stormbolters, combi-weapons, and the one power sword for the sargeant. I personally made mine all lightning claws and run it with a Void Claws formation for Space Wolves. Ill use the rest of the stuff to convert other termis up later on.

The only exception for the termi models is the captain which set with stormbolter/combi weapon and chainfist.

There are a few problems with the terminators (as seen in 40k games, can’t speak for 30k)

If you build them as assault terminators, they are all 2xLC. No TH/SS in the BaC box. While this will completely blend any MEQ it touches, it will struggle against any of the nastier things out there. And those are the things you normally want to hit with the termis. Also, with just the 5++, it won’t take much AP2 fire to kill these guys in the open. So they really want to hide in a box of some sort with an assault ramp. Which makes them rough to use for someone starting out.

If you build them as shooty terminators, the only heavy option you have is the HF. Which IMHO is the weakest of the options. I like assault cannons personally, and can see the use of the CML. At least the HF is cheep. Tactical terminators are frequently panned for not being worth the points, more vulnerable then they should be, etc. In a more laid back meta, adding a squad to your army shouldn’t cripple your chances to win. But they are not a “power” unit by any stretch. For someone starting out I’d recommend this build. With the caveat that they are a fun unit, not competitive, and might spend some time collecting dust if you want to up your game.

(Full disclosure: I’m building all mine with claws. I already have 12 shooty guys, but only 5 CC, so it helps balance out the shelf)

 War Kitten wrote:
Pretty much every model in the set has a 40k counterpart. That Tac marines are usable as Tac Marines. The Termies can either be built as Assault Termies with Lightning Claws, or with Storm Bolters/Power Fists, there's also a few other weapons in there for the Termies. The Captain is a TDA Captain, the chaplain works as a chaplain. The contemptor could be used as a venerable dread if you don't want to use Imperial Armor

Thanks for all the replies guys it is really helpful.

So Essentially what you are saying is that these models can be used instead of the regular counterparts? My friend and I were going to use this as sort of a starting point for 40k. We have the rule book and codexes and some models. I think it would be cool to use this as it is a pretty sweet looking board game too. I just didn't want to jump into anything that required extra rules or were not regular tournament legal.

acrylicsentinel wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
Pretty much every model in the set has a 40k counterpart. That Tac marines are usable as Tac Marines. The Termies can either be built as Assault Termies with Lightning Claws, or with Storm Bolters/Power Fists, there's also a few other weapons in there for the Termies. The Captain is a TDA Captain, the chaplain works as a chaplain. The contemptor could be used as a venerable dread if you don't want to use Imperial Armor

Thanks for all the replies guys it is really helpful.

So Essentially what you are saying is that these models can be used instead of the regular counterparts? My friend and I were going to use this as sort of a starting point for 40k. We have the rule book and codexes and some models. I think it would be cool to use this as it is a pretty sweet looking board game too. I just didn't want to jump into anything that required extra rules or were not regular tournament legal.

Just be sure the gear you give them is OK by the book. But that’s something that’s an issue with any kit. IE don’t glue on the melta, flamer, and plasma gun onto the same squad and expect them to be legal on the tabletop. It’s a little more of an issue when you talk about things like the BaC box because 30k has different rules on how squads can be equipped. But a marine in power armor with a bolter is the same in both games. Just in 30k he might be hanging out with 9-19 of his friends, where only the sarge has different wargear, and in 40k he might be in a squad with one guy with a special, and another with a heavy, but only up to a 10 man squad.

But the models are totally interchangeable.

 Nevelon wrote:

acrylicsentinel wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
Pretty much every model in the set has a 40k counterpart. That Tac marines are usable as Tac Marines. The Termies can either be built as Assault Termies with Lightning Claws, or with Storm Bolters/Power Fists, there's also a few other weapons in there for the Termies. The Captain is a TDA Captain, the chaplain works as a chaplain. The contemptor could be used as a venerable dread if you don't want to use Imperial Armor

Thanks for all the replies guys it is really helpful.

So Essentially what you are saying is that these models can be used instead of the regular counterparts? My friend and I were going to use this as sort of a starting point for 40k. We have the rule book and codexes and some models. I think it would be cool to use this as it is a pretty sweet looking board game too. I just didn't want to jump into anything that required extra rules or were not regular tournament legal.

Just be sure the gear you give them is OK by the book. But that’s something that’s an issue with any kit. IE don’t glue on the melta, flamer, and plasma gun onto the same squad and expect them to be legal on the tabletop. It’s a little more of an issue when you talk about things like the BaC box because 30k has different rules on how squads can be equipped. But a marine in power armor with a bolter is the same in both games. Just in 30k he might be hanging out with 9-19 of his friends, where only the sarge has different wargear, and in 40k he might be in a squad with one guy with a special, and another with a heavy, but only up to a 10 man squad.

But the models are totally interchangeable.

Ohh okay sweet so as long as I follow the rules in the codex for ultra marine tac squads for example then I can field these guys in any normal tournament? Thanks again.

Keep in mind that while you can make legal armies out of them, the contents of the box aren't what would be considered very competitive if you're planning to use them in a tournament.

 Torga_DW wrote:
Keep in mind that while you can make legal armies out of them, the contents of the box aren't what would be considered very competitive if you're planning to use them in a tournament.

Right Right, just thought it might be a good start with all of the models you get plus you get the board game part too.