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In almost every situation in 40k a 1 or a double 1 means an automatic failure right?
Is this the case for charging?
I played a guy who had a wraithknight yesterday, his knight moved within 2 inches of my chaos knight but then he rolled a double 1. The rule book says you fail when charging through terrain but nothing about regular charges. I just wanted to clarify because it seems strange that this isn't a fail.

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No, a roll of double one in charge range is a result of 2. It's different because the dice are added together to get a result.

Similarly with leadership, a roll of double 1 is actually a good thing. The rule (a roll of 1 always fails) is clarifying that you can't have a save better than 2+, or a to - wound or to - hit roll.

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There is no universal rule that a roll of a one always fails. Any such rule is for the specific situation that the rule applies to (e.g., armour saves).

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A double one on a charge range means you charge 2 inches.

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 mrhappyface wrote:
In almost every situation in 40k a 1 or a double 1 means an automatic failure right?
Is this the case for charging?
I played a guy who had a wraithknight yesterday, his knight moved within 2 inches of my chaos knight but then he rolled a double 1. The rule book says you fail when charging through terrain but nothing about regular charges. I just wanted to clarify because it seems strange that this isn't a fail.


No, the only time when a roll of a 1 is automatic failure is saves, hits, and to wound. Characteristic tests auto fail if they have no characteristic to test and if they do then 1's pass the test. A double 1 on leadership is an auto pass regardless of modifiers and is what is needed to regroup under 25%, and a double 1 on scatter is the best you can roll outside of getting a direct hit.

So if his wraithknight is 2 inches away from his target the wriathknight cannot fail the charge because with MTC he ignores the -2 to the charge distance which means that your opponent was right.

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As far as I know, To Hit Rolls of 1, To Wound Rolls of 1 and Armor Save Rolls of 1 are all fails regardless of modifiers, but those allow rerolls and I don't know if there are actually any existing modifiers beyond giving a set dice roll or bonuses to the statistic. The only instance I can recall where the actual dice roll (the result you get) is modified is with Feel No Pain, which if you get ridiculously lucky with warlord traits and spells can result in a 1+ Feel No Pain (or specifically, a FNP that adds +4 to the result).

For Charges, you still charge the 2 inches if you can make it. it's only a fail if the unit is outside of 2 inches.

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And then there are Leadership Tests which always pass on double 1's.

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