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I flipped through an old WHFB Hordes of Chaos codex for 6th edition, and when I reach pages 98-99: This is the title I see:

ARCHAON, LORD OF THE END TIMES

I was surprised as feth to see that. Here's why:

The codex was written in 2002, 14 YEARS before The End Times happened.

So, why's he in a 6th edition WHFB codex that was written 14 years before The End Times? Any ideas?

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Because he was the Big Bad Guy during the Storm of Chaos event, which GW subsequently threw out the window.

   
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 infinite_array wrote:
Because he was the Big Bad Guy during the Storm of Chaos event, which GW subsequently threw out the window.


Could you tell me more about that?

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Global campaign with a website to log results, Chaos tore the good guys a new one, GW retconned so it didn't stick.
   
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Archaon is actually also in the 5th edition book from the 90s. He's been around for a very long time.

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Lord of the End Times was just his title, before the end times was an actual event.
   
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 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
 infinite_array wrote:
Because he was the Big Bad Guy during the Storm of Chaos event, which GW subsequently threw out the window.


Could you tell me more about that?


Storm of Chaos was the second 'big' GW campaign for WHFB supposedly based on player-reported results, with the Albion campaign being the first. The idea was that a number of threats were descending on the Warhammer World, much like the End Times. They actually had three separate 'wars' you could commit your forces to, so every army had at least one place where it made sense for them to participate. Morathi had cut deals with a number of Slaanesh-worshiping Hung tribes and taken her pleasure cults south to invade Lustria. The Tomb Kings were starting to expand into the Badlands under Settra. The main event, of course, was that Archaon had gathered the servants of Chaos under his banner, slaughtering a crusade under Arch-Lector Volkmar and resurrecting him to use as a standard on his march. His goal was to take Middenheim and extinguish the flame in the Temple of Ulric, with the Empire and its allies rallying against him under Valten, a blacksmith with a twin-tailed comet birthmark who might or might not have been the reincarnation of Sigmar. The whole thing was supposed to affect the background. A lot of people got excited about the concept...and then Chaos got stomped, badly.

(Partially because the orcs decided to play spoilers instead of act like good little villainous mooks, which DID end up getting reflected in the campaign fluff...)

See, the way it worked was that people would report battles to certain areas, with their wins, losses, and draws affecting who controlled them. Chaos needed to reach Middenheim, but kept getting stalled by the good guys. That didn't work with the grand climactic finale GW had planned, so...somehow Archaon's host made it to Middenheim, despite the theoretical line holding them waaay far away from it. He started kicking the crap out of Valten in the subsequent inevitable duel, and then Grimgor ambushed him while his ladz plowed into Archaon's bodyguards, headbutted him into semi-consciousness, and wandered off roaring about how he was da best.



There were some definite problems with the campaign. They set the stakes way too high, for one. If Chaos won, that would have absolutely devastated several factions. GW also didn't really live up to their 'completely player-driven' promise, because that didn't fit with their idea for a climactic end battle. Some of the fluff was a little clumsy. There was no real verification system to prevent cheating.

But, looking back on it...I think people were way too critical. Overall, it was a very cool event with a very cool concept. They put a lot of work into it, coming out with a campaign book you could pick up that had scenarios and alternate army lists with new units (Cult of Pleasure, Grimgor's 'Ard Boyz, Dwarf Slayers...), and, if I remember correctly, they eventually posted the lists and scenarios up for free, too. They gave updates and (I think, they might have only done this with the later Nemesis Crown campaign) mentioned player armies and characters by name if you included them in reports! Best of all, it set the stage for what I consider to be a particularly good era of WHFB background, which is the one they had for 2nd edition Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay and 7th Edition WHFB. The northern half of the Empire is a war-torn ruin, but starting to get back to its feet. The dwarfs settled a bunch of grudges. Naggaroth is full of political unrest, with followers of Morathi and followers of Hellebron at each other's throats (moreso than usual). Grimgor's experiencing a serious case of existential ennui (he headbutted Archaon, what is he supposed to do next?) Valten was killed, seemingly by a skaven assassin - but it's implied that Karl Franz may have done something unsavory to prevent civil war in his devastated Empire. Volkmar and Luthor Huss are at odds over the direction of the Cult of Sigmar. It set the stage for a lot of potential interesting events, and it's a shame they scrapped it when they moved on to 8th edition.

Also, it was way better than the Nemesis Crown, which was the last big 'report in' campaign they did and was...not as good. None of the effort or fanfare that went into Storm of Chaos, apart from the fluff updates, and you can absolutely tell. I almost never see it mentioned anywhere, either nostalgically or critically.
   
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The biggest problem with that campaign was that they (GW) lied about the battles we reported meaning anything. Also the GW forums were still alive at this point and it was wildly discussed how people were just reporting garbage scores for lolz.
   
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 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I flipped through an old WHFB Hordes of Chaos codex for 6th edition, and when I reach pages 98-99: This is the title I see:

ARCHAON, LORD OF THE END TIMES

I was surprised as feth to see that. Here's why:

The codex was written in 2002, 14 YEARS before The End Times happened.

So, why's he in a 6th edition WHFB codex that was written 14 years before The End Times? Any ideas?


Yeah, where did you think GW get the "End Times" name from? They are referencing Archaon's campaign that nearly beat the Empire and wiped out the Mortal World.
Nearly every release nowadays is a reference to something older.
Which is fine, really. Warhammer 40k / WHFB are big universes. Its ok to bring something up from the past that wasn't expanded upon.
One of the reasons why I don't like AoS, really.

Anyway, Archaon's full title, is Archaon, Lord of the End Times.
He's WHFB version of Abbadon, in that he's chosen by the Ruinous Powers to unite all the Chaos worshippers under one banner and wipe out the mortal world.
Unlike Abbadon, he's actually pretty dangerous though. He was barely beaten.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Anyway, Archaon's full title, is Archaon, Lord of the End Times.
He's WHFB version of Abbadon, in that he's chosen by the Ruinous Powers to unite all the Chaos worshippers under one banner and wipe out the mortal world.
Unlike Abbadon, he's actually pretty dangerous though. He was barely beaten.


They are also very different characters. Archaon is a religious fanatic who has seen the light of chaos and wants everything to drown in a flood, while Abaddon is a survivor of the Heresy who wants to see everything suffer by a thousand cuts. They both have similar goals but both are doing it in different ways. Plus to be far to Abaddon, the galaxy is a very big place

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 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I flipped through an old WHFB Hordes of Chaos codex for 6th edition, and when I reach pages 98-99: This is the title I see:

ARCHAON, LORD OF THE END TIMES

I was surprised as feth to see that. Here's why:

The codex was written in 2002, 14 YEARS before The End Times happened.

So, why's he in a 6th edition WHFB codex that was written 14 years before The End Times? Any ideas?


GW has a time machine.
   
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When talking about Archaon's unstoppable march in the fluff of Storm of Chaos, keep in mind that GW basically said up front that cities and forts were going to fall - the only question was when and how quickly.

The big problem is that the Orc players almost universally sided with Order, which meant that Chaos took almost the entire map by virtue of attrition (except one little outpost near the center of the map that never fell). Then, when Archaon got to Middenheim, his army never even reached the walls.

The fluff war was won by the Skaven players, however. It was Skaven players on the GW forum that devised the idea of the Doom Hemisphere, which GW incorporated into the fluff (and not just for the Storm of Chaos wrap-up, as it also got a shout-out in End Times: Thanquol).

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