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Pretty simple question mates. Looking to do a SM Bike list, however I have heard both sides on which Chapter would be a better Bike List. Hence why I created this fun Poll just to get everyones opinion on which SM Bike list is better and their reasons why. I was planning on doing a Bike list of White Scars from the new Kauyon Campaign Book but I have been seriously tempted to play a Ravenwing list. Let the voting begin and please state why and not just vote.

Ravenwing are awesome! They get rerollable jink saves, and their Black Knights get Skilled Rider. Just put a Darkshroud near them and they now have 2+ rerollable jink. As a Dark Angels player I can tell you that is just nasty! Black Knights also get a TL plasmagun (with a little less range) instead of being stuck with only a TL bolter. They can erase MC's this way, and even give a Wraithknight a few anxious moments. White scars are not bad themselves, as ALL of their bikes have Skilled Rider. I have the Kauyon book, and I definitely think there are some neato formations in there for White Scars. I still like Ravenwing more, but I'm biased.

Why not both? With the Librarian Formation giving access to all sorts of Relics, taking 3-5 Scar Librarians with fancy toys makes Black Knights even better. Ignores Cover to the squad is the most obvious. Invisibility is easy to grab and throw another with Shield Eternal up front just to soak up some rounds before even needing to Jink and you're ridiculously dangerous for a Deathstar.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Why not both? With the Librarian Formation giving access to all sorts of Relics, taking 3-5 Scar Librarians with fancy toys makes Black Knights even better. Ignores Cover to the squad is the most obvious. Invisibility is easy to grab and throw another with Shield Eternal up front just to soak up some rounds before even needing to Jink and you're ridiculously dangerous for a Deathstar.

Not denying that I could do both lol, however purpose of this poll is to see which Chapter can field a more effective and competitive SM Bike list.

WS have ObSec and are cheaper (I think Grav too). They also have more support options (TFC, Centurions, etc). More offensive play style.
Ravenwing have more Dakka and survability, in turn making it a conservative playstyle.

I voted Ravenwing, but can't go wrong with either.

 Frozocrone wrote:
WS have ObSec and are cheaper (I think Grav too). They also have more support options (TFC, Centurions, etc). More offensive play style.
Ravenwing have more Dakka and survability, in turn making it a conservative playstyle.

I voted Ravenwing, but can't go wrong with either.

I know lol that's what is making this choice a pain in some ways. Doesn't the Ravenwing Company Formation from the DA book allow all Fast Attack options to be Objective Secured?

 Ironwolf45 wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
WS have ObSec and are cheaper (I think Grav too). They also have more support options (TFC, Centurions, etc). More offensive play style.
Ravenwing have more Dakka and survability, in turn making it a conservative playstyle.

I voted Ravenwing, but can't go wrong with either.

I know lol that's what is making this choice a pain in some ways. Doesn't the Ravenwing Company Formation from the DA book allow all Fast Attack options to be Objective Secured?

If you are referring to the Ravenwing Strike Force, unfortunately it does not. It does grant some other cool things, but not ObSec.

Thanks for clarifying that mate. Hmm Honestly, right now it is pretty even at the moment, however I am still leaning a bit towards the White Scars at the moment as I enjoy the flexibility they bring. Still would appreciate any Veteran Space Marine Bike players to give there input on this topic, as while I have a general idea of both lists, experience still speaks for itself so if there any players on here I would appreciate it.

And as for the units, when it comes to the White Scars/Standard Space Marine Command Squad, how have people run them? I can go pure Dakka with Storm Shields an Grav-Guns, Pure CC with Power Weapons and Storm Shields, or I can do the expensive Combo of both all in one unit.

With White Scars, a CC build is viable with Fleet Banner and a possible S8 ap2 i5 captain, but in all honesty a Grav Squad with the ignore cover relic is proven to be vicious

 Frozocrone wrote:
With White Scars, a CC build is viable with Fleet Banner and a possible S8 ap2 i5 captain, but in all honesty a Grav Squad with the ignore cover relic is proven to be vicious

Have you seen that first hand or is it how it looks on paper? Besides that kind of surprised by the lack of feedback, as I thought and from what I have seen, SM Bike lists are very popular so was I mistaken, or is it that Bike lists it's basically your choice between Ravenwing or White Scars.

Essentially that. White Scars also have access to the Gladius, which is extremely powerful. That's why you don't see as many Bike lists for Scars.


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And I've seen it. Stick a librarian with them with the relic and get prescfience, or invisibility of you have a detachment that let's you re roll to hit and remove models at will

Ravenwing hands down, especially with the new FAQ to the Dark Angels codex that GW recently released which adds that any character HQ on a bike can be the HQ choice in the Ravenwing formations. The potential there with a librarian on a bike (with the interromancy powers) is pretty powerful.

Ravenwing bike squads can have grav-guns and Black Knights are THE best bikers in the game - skilled riders, re-rollable jink saves, plasma talon guns on their bikes and rending attacks in assault to name the main ones. All of the bikes have scout and their formation rules make them even better.

White Scars are still good in their own way with being obj secured, outflanking skilled riders, but Ravenwing just pip them in terms of damage output. With Ravenwing, it is not just the bikers, but all the other stuff you get with them like speeders with intercept fire, Dark Shroud to deny enemy overwatch against bikers within 6" of it as well as giving the nearby units shrouded, the Dark Talon is also pretty decent this time round too.

Dark angels for pure bike army, scars for mixed tactics.

The ravenwing formation with strafing run is amazing, raven shield is almost broken due to bs2, darkshrouds are amazballs, even the bad fliers got a decent boost, the dark talons rift cannon murders things and the rift bomb even nukes reanimation protocols wraiths, the nephilims twin linked ap 3 missile can pop or immobize transports quite well and it murders anything short of meq.

Scars are Codex marines with all the bling that brings