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This is something I am always curious about and surprisingly can never find online. Has anyone seen or even played a good 'Counts -As' army?

Specifically, I mean using models (usually heavily converted) from one army, yet the rules for another. An obvious example of this is using Chaos Marine models, but with a specific theme in mind, you can use Loyalist Marine rules. Like using Blood Angle rules to represent a Berserker Army.

Another (I think more creative example) is using Khorne Skullcrusher/Bloodcrusher models using Thunderwolf Cav rules.

I have also seen an entire Ork "Grot" army using tons of tanks using the Imperial Guard rules. It was beautifully painted too.
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I love the creativity involved in this, but it has been my experience that it can sometimes be met with criticism. I have tried several times to do something like this. My most succeddful try was this: http://glennsgwmodels.blogspot.com/2014/02/wraith-construct-tau-allies.html

More recently I am attempting to add a "Grey Knight" nemesis detachment to my Eldar (painted in the scheme of the rest of my army), in which I have Wraithlords on Vyper jetbikes as DreadKnights and a units of WraithGaurd-like constructs to be a unit of Terminators with Librarian (mini-WraithSeer). I love the fact that the Nemesis Strike force rules can seem like using modified Webway portals and it even gives a 1-turn "Battle Focus". I also like that the DK's personal teleporter gives a 1-turn turbo-boost to my jetbike riding Wraithlords.

Fluffwise, I want this detachment to be a sort of specialized anti-daemon Wraith-construct group to add to my Eldar CAD. I would have no other Wraith units beside a Wraith Knight, to avoid confusion.
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So has anyone else played with or seen any other really good "counts as" armies?


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I often play orklequins, orka militarum, orkau, orkdar, adeptus orkartesand many others.

Wait? Do you mean "counts-as" or "proxies" because you only play Orks?

If you actually have coversions, please share! I'd love to see a well done, super flippy Ork harlequin

I saw a guy covert his orks into BA. It was a pretty bad job

I think you've seen/played my Night Lords that I built and used the BA codex for (back when they were good!)




and I've also had in the far distant past a Blood Axe Ork army converted to have all Imperial weapons/equipment and uniforms using the IG codex.



Even had Gra Nites!

All of my inquisition models are heavy conversions usually involving lots of fantasy model bits.
I do have count as / scratch build ork vehicles, and I go totally nuts on the creation of my own daemons out of sculpting clay and lots of spare bits.
I have never heard any opposition to these armies. But I should mention that I do try to keep in the "feel" of the models, art or fluff.
Even with those daemons I try to get them fit in the theme of the other daemons in my army. For example all my tzeentch daemons have some bird features, have roughly the same size and are painted in the same colours as the regular ones. Just gluing a weapon of race a to a body of race b and using them as race A is something I would never consider. If I do have to explain what something is more then once during the game or if it takes some time for my opponent to digest my " this counts as that" talk I consider it a failure and will not be fielding that model again.

I saw a vampire counts army converted to AM; it was awesome.

I use FW mechanicum models with the 40k skiitari/cult Mechanicus rules

People are more comfortable with the 40k ruleset, and I'm not gonna complain about being handed free power.

I've been using my 2nd Ed LotD army as every variation of Marine army since 3rd, always WYSIWYG. No one ever minds.

SJ

all eldar exodite armies are counts as, usually as CW elder or sometimes dark elder. I have been researching using counts as nids for them and seen some really nice conversion armies doing that online.

wolf13 wrote:
all eldar exodite armies are counts as, usually as CW elder or sometimes dark elder. I have been researching using counts as nids for them and seen some really nice conversion armies doing that online.

Oh, good example. I don't know why that one slipped my mind. I have seen some AMAZING Exodite armies using lizardmen models. The Dark Elf Cold One Knights are also a great kit to make some dragon riders.

One year for Adepticon we modeled Adeptus Mechanicus (pre codex) as Necrons. It was a cool looking army, but probably not worth the trouble.

Theres so many different options with Exodites. I am hoping the Raging Hero's new minis will make a good exodite core (fell in love with the stingray riders), which is why I have been researching the Nid counts as. I already have elder, working on corsairs and harlequins and some DE so need a way to make them truly different in play.

I like your idea of a nemesis detachment after thinking on it. I had thought about doing GK's sometime as an ally, but never really had a solid idea on where to go with it. Gives me some new thoughts.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I think you've seen/played my Night Lords that I built and used the BA codex for (back when they were good!)




and I've also had in the far distant past a Blood Axe Ork army converted to have all Imperial weapons/equipment and uniforms using the IG codex.



Even had Gra Nites!

That is actually pretty amazing

i second the nod to the ork grey knights. kudos dude!

i play a lot of counts as in my "tzeentch" daemon army. i have converted my own versions of "tzeentchy drones", "tzeentch warrior daemons", what have you. as long as you find a ruleset that fits, who cares?

I use a number of "Exodites" in my Eldar armies. (Wild Riders/Sisters of the Thorn subbing in for Eldar Jetbikes.)

Never had any complaints until the new codex dropped, then I started hearing a lot of bitching while setting up games. Once I told them I wasn't running the bikes with scatter lasers or Shuriken cannons, the response was universally, "Oh. Well, that's alright then."

(I forgot, I also have a Treeman who serves as my Wraithseer whenever I want to field one.)

I guess I have a count as army with my Traitor guard. I use various models to make up the troops like Chaos Cultists, the Forge world Renegade and Heretics, Chaos Marauders and other various chaosy bits. But i use the astra militarum codex for the rules mostly because it fits my play style a bit more.

I also use Renegade Ogryns as count as for Chaos Spawn in my Khorne Daemonkin, that was mostly for aesthetics

At Nova 2011, I met a guy that played a Skaven army using "Counts As Dark Eldar" rules. It was called the Kabal of the Fursaken; pics can be found on http://teninchtemplate.blogspot.com

I've had a few ideas but rarely the capital to get the necessary parts.

One of the Armies I really wanna make is a mounted Khornate army, with Chaos Knights being Wolf Guard Bikers and Bloodcrushers being Thunderwolves. Unfortunately that is exceedingly expensive to start on a whim (at least in canada).

Another one I wanna do is an entire Exodite biker army using Wood Elf Wild Riders (because badass reindeers).