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Librarius Conclave Formation question. (references at end)

IF a librarian, who contributed to empyric channeling, is in a separate unit from the Librarian who manifested powers from other librarians can he manifest powers at anytime during that psychic phase?

My argument against is that the Psychic Phase ends when there are 0 warp charge remaining OR you choose not to manifest any more powers.

My argument for is the rules for start and end of phase in the rulebook and the wording of empyric channeling.
Both of which support the other librarians maifesting powers, or the same powers if they re in a different unit.


Rulebook, Page 17, First Column, Para 2.
-Start and End of a Phase

Rulebook, Page 24, First Column, Para 5.
-[end of psychic phase]

Codex: Adeptus Astartes Space Marines, Page 183.
-Empyric Channeling.

The problem is you cannot cast with the other Librarians until the end of the psychic phase. You are not at the end of the psychic phase until either you run out of Warp Charges or decide to no longer cast powers.

In other words, they cannot cast powers until you are no longer able to cast powers (that turn).

Let me better understand what you are asking.

Librarian A is nominated Librarians B and C are within 12". You are asking if B or C can manifest correct?

If that is the question; then no. This is because of the first referenced brb passage: start and end of phases are specific sections of a phase where specific things happen. At the start of the psychic phase you may choose to nominate a librarian, this must happen before you use any of the rules for during the psychic phase(manifesting any powers). Librarians B and C cannot manifest until the end of the phase, which is after you are allowed to use the rules for during the psychic phase(again manifesting). The phrasing is just letting you know that they return to having the ability to manifest at the end of the phase, but you still cannot manifest that phase.

The answer is no, but if one of the librarians is outside of 12" there is nothing stopping him from manifesting powers he knows. He will not receive any bonus, however, and cannot use empyric channeling

The Empiric Channeling rule is optional IIRC, so if you didn't choose to use that rule, any lib who isn't in a squad with another one could cast. But if you do use EC, only the one guy gets to cast, the othes in 12" dont.

It's a rule that could have been worded much better.

IIRC the "end of the phase" is very well defined as the period AFTER everything else happens during a phase but BEFORE the next phase begins. Yes the psychic phase "ends" when there are no more warp charges or the player wishes to no longer cast any powers, but this is NOT the same as the defined term "end of the phase". So yes, the non-nominated psykers can cast stuff after the empyric channeling dude does his thing.

Malathrim wrote:
IIRC the "end of the phase" is very well defined as the period AFTER everything else happens during a phase but BEFORE the next phase begins. Yes the psychic phase "ends" when there are no more warp charges or the player wishes to no longer cast any powers, but this is NOT the same as the defined term "end of the phase". So yes, the non-nominated psykers can cast stuff after the empyric channeling dude does his thing.

the phase ends when there are no more warp charges or you declare you will not cast any more powers. if you do not meet either of these requirements, you cannot reach the end of the phase. if you fulfill either, you cannot cast any more powers