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I'm new to 40k and I keep seeing forge world models at my local shop. Most people seem cool with them being used, but most people are also a decade+ into playing. Some people get that fielding them against a newb is probably a bad idea because it's just confusing and other people bring them not caring how confused a new player is. (gotta learn sometime I guess, welcome to the jungle baby! You're gonna die!) Honestly I don't so much mind them being used, what bugs me is not having a readily available clear rule set for the models. I've tried going to google but it seems some units rules change frequently, or at least more frequently then the typical 40k units. To me it's the same as facing dark eldar (something we don't have a lot of at our shop) it's new and exotic and I don't know what to expect, but typically I can google units and get an idea what to expect if not the exact rules for 7th ed. My question I guess is where do I go to easily find rules? To make sure that the person playing against me is actually playing units right, as I've not once seen rules provided, it's all done from memory, which is the part that bugs me. I can't ask to see a codex because (unless I'm just being stupid and missing it someplace) there isn't one, and they certainly don't have rules with them. Thankfully this is just casual, but if I do play in a tourney do I have a right to demand to see rules?
Thanks in advance for the incoming wisdom, also I'm not looking to start a FW argument, more asking, if this is a thing fine but how do I avoid getting jobbed?

You always have a right to demand to see the rules for a unit. You are always suppose to have the rules for any unit you are using with you for this exact reason.

I have used two forgeworld models for my orks up to this point and just used 1d4chan and battlescribe as references. Everyone has been ok with that so far. Well one guy was resistent at first, but he was the same guy who thought the Choppa of Ragnorork was AP3. I showed him 1d4chan and he didn't believe me. I showed him battle scribe and he didn't believe me. I went home that day, took a picture of its entry in the supplement itself and sent it to him. His was reply was simply "Stupid." He now trusts 1d4chan and battlescribe though so that's cool.

I play orks, and the FW alone spans several books for all up to date rules. I can't remember where (the link is on my other device) but there is a webpage that lists all FW models and where their most recent rules are in the books (I'll post the link later)...but as far as online I'm not sure where. Fortunately if you ask here on dakka dakka most will tell you what the rules are.
While it is cool FW does update rules to most of their units it does become a problem when you have to buy 5+ books just to have the latest.

Also because apocalypse games are a thing (That FW seems to cater to) Will I get whipped off the board if I just bring standard units? [predators/razorbacks with lascannons and maybe a land raider] (I realize this is a very different question from the first, but it kinda goes along the same lines of will FW romp on vanilla 40k)

RageingKender wrote:
I'm new to 40k and I keep seeing forge world models at my local shop. Most people seem cool with them being used, but most people are also a decade+ into playing. Some people get that fielding them against a newb is probably a bad idea because it's just confusing and other people bring them not caring how confused a new player is. (gotta learn sometime I guess, welcome to the jungle baby! You're gonna die!) Honestly I don't so much mind them being used, what bugs me is not having a readily available clear rule set for the models. I've tried going to google but it seems some units rules change frequently, or at least more frequently then the typical 40k units. To me it's the same as facing dark eldar (something we don't have a lot of at our shop) it's new and exotic and I don't know what to expect, but typically I can google units and get an idea what to expect if not the exact rules for 7th ed. My question I guess is where do I go to easily find rules? To make sure that the person playing against me is actually playing units right, as I've not once seen rules provided, it's all done from memory, which is the part that bugs me. I can't ask to see a codex because (unless I'm just being stupid and missing it someplace) there isn't one, and they certainly don't have rules with them. Thankfully this is just casual, but if I do play in a tourney do I have a right to demand to see rules?
Thanks in advance for the incoming wisdom, also I'm not looking to start a FW argument, more asking, if this is a thing fine but how do I avoid getting jobbed?

Always ask a person for a copy of the rules if you have any questions. Doesn't matter if it's FW or not, FW isn't anything special, it's just stuff GW can't produce profitably in plastic or that the core studio isn't interested in.

The onus is always on the opponent to have rules for their units, and they should be able to provide them.

That said, rules for FW units can be found in Imperial Armour books.

But yeah, players should *always* have their rules on them, especially if playing someone that hasn't played against their army or a partcular unit before, FW or no.

RageingKender wrote:
Also because apocalypse games are a thing (That FW seems to cater to) Will I get whipped off the board if I just bring standard units? [predators/razorbacks with lascannons and maybe a land raider] (I realize this is a very different question from the first, but it kinda goes along the same lines of will FW romp on vanilla 40k)

FW will not "romp" vanila 40k, in fact, if you look at what's placing highly in major tournaments, you will find hardly any FW stuff at all and basically no FW army lists (e.g. Renegades & Heretics) where they're allowed.

You will do just fine without any FW stuff. FW just gives you some cool extra options (usually at a much higher points premium than Codex equivalents). At this point in 40k's existence, there's really no difference between Apocalypse and normal games anymore, and FW has nothing to do with that, but yes, stuff you'd use to only see in Apoc games you can potentially see in non-apoc games now.

Your opponent should always have his rules handy( and so should you) for rule queries.

If I'm bringing a more than one codex( like when I was allying Daemons with Tau for gaks and giggles or when I tried using the Supplements) and I'm still getting a feel for how safe the books are around the group( new store or W/E) I just make copies of the rules for the stuff I use outside of the first book and just kinda tuck it into the back until I feel like someone's not going to try and walk off with my rules if for some reason I'm not paying attention.

And that's more or less just because I remember a friend had his entire 1850 old School Dark Eldar army stolen from him right before I started collecting, so I try to keep as few things that I need to keep track of as possible until I learn the group.

And as far as having rules on you when you play a game then I say always bring the rules. highly encourage your opponents to do as well, if they forget then that's fine, but if they "forget" to bring them on a regular basis then you will either argue it with them and lose someone to play with or you go the extra mile and print out rules for units he brings often so when you play your bringing his rulez.
As far as tournaments I only know the 2 I've attended require to have the rule for what you bring (one was adamant that you use official book and not print out)....despite this there were those I played who still forgot their rules (it's a bloody tournament, they need to be more prepared).


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But considering one plays new people every day at a store, the forgeting could take a year, maybe more, if someone doesn't play every week or on holydays. After a year most people quit, so the moment of catching someone may never happen. Also you would also have to remember that you played that one guy a year ago and he didn't have rules back then too.