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So it says even in the open I get a 5 plus cover save.
It also says cover saves as being 2 points better.

So is the 5 in open really a 3+?
And also what if I use the fire sheild from the Pyromancy psychic power of fire shield that gives a 4 + cover save?
Would that be a 2+?

Just started playing and I play daemons,.so would like to know the rulings.

Thank you.
The noob

Only one of the effect applies.

If you would have a Cover Save, that Cover save gets +2 to it.

If you don't have a cover save of any kind, you have a 5+ Cover Save. This is because "no cover save" with +2 to it would be a 5+ cover save.

And if you can get a 4+ cover save from something else, yes it does become a 2+ cover save.

Shrouded telling you that you have 5+ in the open is just it doing the math for you (since the jump from +2 to nothing equaling 5+ is not obvious).

Its only +2 to cover ever. So yes +2 to a 4+ cover save would be a 2+ cover save.

Ok so if cast the psychic power fire shield ( gives my unit a 4+ cover save even in the open) with shrouded special rule give me 2+ plus save?

Of note, it also stacks with stealth.

 SpacePup1987 wrote:
Ok so if something gave me a 4+ cover save like the fire shield does even in the open the shrouded would boost it to 2+?

Stop getting caught up on the out in the open part. Its just an example, its not some extra rule to shrouded. The only thing Shrouded is is +2 to your cover saves period

So yes having a 4+ from fire shield with shrouded will give you a 2+ cover save (no matter where you are)

It says, "Note that this means that..."

"This" is referring back to the previous sentence, that you count your cover save as being 2 better than normal - in the open you would have no cover. 2 better than no cover is a 5+ cover save.

There's 6 possible cover saves you can have

2+
3+
4+ (for example, ruins)
5+
6+
0+ (no save, a.k.a. "the open field")

Shrouded gives you a +2 to your cover save, meaning you go up 2 steps in the ladder.

If your unit would be in ruins, it would start on the 4+ step of the ladder (because ruins give you a 4+ cover save). If the unit has shrouded, it would go up 2 steps, ending on the 2+ cover save step.

Now, if you're in the open field, a unit is in the 0+ bracket. If the unit has shrouded, it moves 2 steps up, ending up on the 5+ ladder step.

 SpacePup1987 wrote:
So it says even in the open I get a 5 plus cover save.
It also says cover saves as being 2 points better.

So is the 5 in open really a 3+?
And also what if I use the fire sheild from the Pyromancy psychic power of fire shield that gives a 4 + cover save?
Would that be a 2+?

Just started playing and I play daemons,.so would like to know the rulings.

Thank you.
The noob

Shrouded increases your cover save by 2. So in open ground your cover save is - (non existent). Increased to 5+ by shrouded. If you had a 5+ cover it would become 3+