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Hello, i m just wondering if would be better use 20 hounds or 20 seekers (with heralds of course) having available access to telephaty with Be'lakor, i m not sure if get more resistance 40 T4 wounds vs, just 20 T3 wounds, but get rending and quite more attacks with seekers and further access to excess/telephaty discipline, ty.

Seekers can do more damage but are soo fragile that they have trouble actually getting to combat even with buffed support. The problem is that the damage boost isn't that much greater because it pretty much only comes from rending on 6s so any rolls that aren't rending pretty much do no damage being only S3. You'll end up bouncing off SMs if you don't roll a couple 6s.

Flesh Hounds are just more reliable. They're actually durable for their price before you had invisibility and grimoire. And they can do consistent damage especially with heralds attached (and equipping the heralds with Axe of Khorne or an Aether Blade really boosts their damage and versitlity).

but usually you have there 1-2 heralds with aether blade too and re roll to hit any turn for exalted locus, this is my doubt right now i m sure hounds are quite more durable but if you have against 1-2 wraithknight hounds can do almost nothing seekers at 6 wound automtically with no armor save...

Wraithknights are one of the only unit seekers are definitely better against. You have to see the big picture Flesh Hounds generally do better or just as good as seekers against way more units while also being durable enough to get to combat (and remember khorne herald's locus gives hatred for rerolling to hit too).

yes in 1st turn of melee, anyway your analysis is correct i always played with hounds was just wondering if would be nice try seekers.

Seeker mobility is hard to top. You can easily change your front on Turn 1 with a 12" Move + 6+d6" Run diagonally to other terrain features on the flanks. Include a Herald of Slaanesh on a Steed with the Lesser Locus of Grace and you can move with impugnity through any terrain you want. Having a max force skirting to the edge will force your opponent to dedicate more firepower towards the greater threat of their speed and numbers while your infantry charge forward in their wake.

While Flesh Hounds are quick they don't pack the all-purpose punch. Flesh Hounds can't do a thing against AV12 Walkers while you at least have a chance with Rending Seekers.

Tropic Thunder wrote:
While Flesh Hounds are quick they don't pack the all-purpose punch. Flesh Hounds can't do a thing against AV12 Walkers while you at least have a chance with Rending Seekers.

Thats what the khorne heralds are for. a Herald with a greater aetherblade are S7 ap2 on the charge.

If you have a lot of Psykers and consistently face WK's and Walkers, try the seekers and Summon Flesh Hounds. I personally will never do Seekers because Psychic powers fail...often.

However, if you can manage to get both Invis off AND Shouding with Belakor nearby, Seekers are DEVASTATING.

the list have 2x tz heralds 3°lev kairos be'lakor 2x sl heralds 2°
17+d6 WC seems enough to have invisibility and shroud every turn

sl herald 2°lev mayor rew minor rew sl steed
sl herald as above plus exalted locus beguilment
2x tz heralds 3°lev disc exalted reward
kairos
2x3 nurglins
15 seekers
8 screamers
allied
Be'lakor
10 cultist
beside my list what list you think should be competitive in actual meta with lot of marines and tau (new codex)?

If you take hounds then you should also be taking a Khorne Herald on Juggernaut to handle anything that might tarpit them in melee. I prefer this unit with the Herald taking a locus and either the Aetherblade (up against vehicles) or Axe of Khorne (Up against Monstrous Creatures).

I would only summon seekers through incursion if I needed a fast unit to assault an objective that isn't in cover, otherwise plague drones, screamers, and flesh hounds are still better choices for this psychic power. Otherwise they won't make it into melee without a lot of support invisibility/cursed earth/grimoire and frankly that support is better used on other units.

Seekers are excellent as temporary divertions when outflanking as a cheap threat to a small backfield squad. Their 6+d6 run move also puts them anywhere fast, either outflanking with the acute senses reroll or rushing up a flank. Something has to waste firepower on it or have a vulnerable unit in the backfield charged.

Hounds, I actually expect to do damage to something, not just distract and die. Because they're tougher, I like 10 hounds with a herald, while one or two squads of 5 seekers with or without a champ is enough. Together they work very well.

Also, remember you summon them in with "summoning" not 'incursion'. Even if they're not in your list you should have some painted up and just summon them in and run them up as soon as possible.