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A new 9th age column is need on the forum as its not right that this game should try to share space with AoS, also would be interesting to see which got more posts in general!

Scrap them both. We could then have separate areas for the CGM and WAAC 40k'ists.

Forgive me, what is the 9th age? Fanmade WHFB rules or unoffical updates etc?

Can my sub sub sub variation of the rules for a defunct game also have its own section please?

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Can my sub sub sub variation of the rules for a defunct game also have its own section please?

I'd agree it's doubtful whether a game deserves it's own board if not many people play it (in fact I think some existing boards could be cut and shuffled: does 40K really need all those boards? Aren't the Warmahordes boards just about ticking over? Could the 'other games' boards be arranged better, according to genre and period rather than who's got the biggest box set? But I digress.) but a game is only defunct if no-one plays it.

I guess you'd need to find out how many people here play 9th Age? I don't suppose it'd be as many as 40K or maybe even AoS, but on the other hand we're not talking about someone's two-page Word document stuck up on their occassional blogspot account.

As (almost) always, IF there is enough interest, we'll make a separate section for it.

But, the interest (i.e., the posts) has to be there first.

 Alpharius wrote:
As (almost) always, IF there is enough interest, we'll make a separate section for it.

But, the interest (i.e., the posts) has to be there first.

I think this is a good policy. I have personally seen boards killed by being needlessly divided up into sections that weren't needed. If boards don't move then people stop checking them, and then new topics get ignored. Forums work best when everyone is in the same place talking. When a new board is needed it's usually pretty obvious, because a certain subject is drowning out all the other conversation.

Speaking of which... the Fantasy Flight board seems to have just become the "X-Wing board" lately. At a glance, I don't think I saw a single topic on the front page that wasn't X-Wing related. However, it might be unfair to claim that it is drowning out "other conversation" since there probably isn't enough FF conversation to warrant its own board.

Perhaps the other games section could be reconsidered? Specialist games, FF, and RPG/card games are all painfully inactive boards which could probably be merged. I would love to talk about that stuff, but it can take weeks for anyone to notice posts there. While X-Wing/Armada conversation could probably fill its own board.

The main reason the FFG games don't have much presence here is because they have very active forums on the FFG website, and each game has it's own set of sub forums. They are VERY active there. Dakka has always been more GW centric(even if not intended), especially since GW did away with their own forums.

The only drawback to the FFG forums is that they deleted the subforums for custom painting and modeling(but the threads were simply moved into the main forum). It is speculated the move was to make threads linking to shapeways products would become less visible.

 Alpharius wrote:
As (almost) always, IF there is enough interest, we'll make a separate section for it.

But, the interest (i.e., the posts) has to be there first.

And in the meantime? At first glance the obvious place to discuss WHFB and its new derivatives is the old WHFB, now AoS forums that specifically state "legacy" discussion is allowed, but then some posts started getting arbitrarily moved to Specialist & Unsupported, which doesn't come close in terms of "foot traffic", so are hardly likely to generate enough discussion to justify a distinct forum.

It just seems like where most other wargaming forums gave AoS what it deserved as a new game with a modest(charitably) following(ie a single forum of its own and "shared access" to painting & modelling forums), Dakka chose to appropriate all the WHFB forums for this new, functionally unrelated game in a way designed to minimise discussion of legacy WHFB, and everyone just has to lump it.

With the following AoS has, I find it difficult to understand that they get so many sub forums. There are other sections of the forum where tens/hundred of games are lumped into one.

I guess the forum admins will analyse the site data and thread counts when a decent enough passage of time has gone by. Remembering that half the AoS threads are people still moaning about AoS's existence.

Yes, they will...

 Smacks wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
As (almost) always, IF there is enough interest, we'll make a separate section for it.

But, the interest (i.e., the posts) has to be there first.

I think this is a good policy. I have personally seen boards killed by being needlessly divided up into sections that weren't needed. If boards don't move then people stop checking them, and then new topics get ignored. Forums work best when everyone is in the same place talking. When a new board is needed it's usually pretty obvious, because a certain subject is drowning out all the other conversation.

Speaking of which... the Fantasy Flight board seems to have just become the "X-Wing board" lately. At a glance, I don't think I saw a single topic on the front page that wasn't X-Wing related. However, it might be unfair to claim that it is drowning out "other conversation" since there probably isn't enough FF conversation to warrant its own board.

Perhaps the other games section could be reconsidered? Specialist games, FF, and RPG/card games are all painfully inactive boards which could probably be merged. I would love to talk about that stuff, but it can take weeks for anyone to notice posts there. While X-Wing/Armada conversation could probably fill its own board.

"Other" games stuff here is a mess since the current policy is to move miniatures without games into "Dakka Discussions" so talk about Raging Heroes' KS and so forth gets buried under mountains of posts about GW's financials and every other bit of random gak. Well, except for Trollcast. Somehow they've managed to stay in Misc Miniatures Games despite not having a game.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
With the following AoS has, I find it difficult to understand that they get so many sub forums. There are other sections of the forum where tens/hundred of games are lumped into one.

I guess the forum admins will analyse the site data and thread counts when a decent enough passage of time has gone by. Remembering that half the AoS threads are people still moaning about AoS's existence.

Warmachine and Infinity both have several subforums each and they are way less active than the AoS forums. No one seems to object to that though.

I have to say I am also surprised their is no 9th age board.

My entire London club has converted - and I now post elsewhere (army specific for lists and unit conversions etc).

Just look at the tournament board and you tell me whether hobbyists are playing 9th or AoS?

AoS isn't a tournament game, it just doesn't work on that level if you want to achieve even the smallest bit of competitiveness. 9th basciclly is 8.5th and thus managed to translate extremely well into the competitive scene.

Furthermore, with GW officially abandoning their second main game, it's even better as there's a, perceived, higher interest in balanced rules.

In general, I do think that there is a demand for such a subforum given that WHFB always attracted quite a few people - not comparable with 40k, of course, but WHFB has been the better competitive game for quite some time now.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
With the following AoS has, I find it difficult to understand that they get so many sub forums. There are other sections of the forum where tens/hundred of games are lumped into one.

I guess the forum admins will analyse the site data and thread counts when a decent enough passage of time has gone by. Remembering that half the AoS threads are people still moaning about AoS's existence.

Warmachine and Infinity both have several subforums each and they are way less active than the AoS forums. No one seems to object to that though.

Well, I think they could easily replace the AOS army lists section (which is literally pointless) with it into a Pre-AOS discussion page, similar to the 30k page that got added in the 40k subforum tab.

Any comment from admins?

There is some discussing going on behind the scenes about forum reorganisation, not just for AoS, but a bit of finetuning of the site in general. No specific timeframe for this right now, though.

WHFB and 9th Age could easily share a board, since they're the same core system. AoS would be better suited to it's own boards.

All three (not to mention Mordheim, Deadfleet, et al) could share the "fluff/background" board/s, as it's the same world/universe.

The blanket overnight renaming of all the fantasy boards to "AoS" was handled badly at best. Especially when the actual name of the game is actually "Warhammer: Age of Sigmar", and the "Warhammer" part of it is the key point of branding.

Untangling the AoS content from the sub-forum of WHFB stuff would be tricky and maybe trickier than it is worth. For one thing, the content is already nicely sorted. It would be wasteful to mix it all up by unceremoniously dumping it where it actually belongs at this point, the Unsupported GW Games forum. So we are kind of left with the cumbersome legacy of lots of neatly organized content that isn't very useful looking forward. But actually we already deal with that all the time.

Think of it in terms of, for example, army lists for previous editions of 40k; we don't start a new board when a new edition comes out. Rather, we add the new stuff on top of the old. And if someone for some reason wanted to play an older edition of 40k, altered by fans or otherwise, then the proper place to discuss doing it would be the Unsupported GW Games board rather than any of the current 40k ones. I don't feel that the situation is meaningfully different when it comes to WHFB transitioning to AoS.

Sure AoS is a major break with WHFB in mechanical terms. But posters have managed to use the existing categories of discussion topics just fine. I honestly think this is one of those times where a solution is looking for a problem. The nearest we have to a problem is the constant hijacking of AoS thread by folks who want to post about how much they dislike the game. But honestly this is quite natural given how dramatic the change was and the extreme cases can be taken care of by us moderators because they would in fact be violations of Rule Number Two anyhow.

 Manchu wrote:
Untangling the AoS content from the sub-forum of WHFB stuff would be tricky and maybe trickier than it is worth. For one thing, the content is already nicely sorted. It would be wasteful to mix it all up by unceremoniously dumping it where it actually belongs at this point, the Unsupported GW Games forum. So we are kind of left with the cumbersome legacy of lots of neatly organized content that isn't very useful looking forward. But actually we already deal with that all the time.

Think of it in terms of, for example, army lists for previous editions of 40k; we don't start a new board when a new edition comes out. Rather, we add the new stuff on top of the old. And if someone for some reason wanted to play an older edition of 40k, altered by fans or otherwise, then the proper place to discuss doing it would be the Unsupported GW Games board rather than any of the current 40k ones. I don't feel that the situation is meaningfully different when it comes to WHFB transitioning to AoS.

Sure AoS is a major break with WHFB in mechanical terms. But posters have managed to use the existing categories of discussion topics just fine. I honestly think this is one of those times where a solution is looking for a problem. The nearest we have to a problem is the constant hijacking of AoS thread by folks who want to post about how much they dislike the game. But honestly this is quite natural given how dramatic the change was and the extreme cases can be taken care of by us moderators because they would in fact be violations of Rule Number Two anyhow.

Honestly the amount of bickering back and forth that used to dominate every AoS thread has decreased dramatically in the last couple of months, I'm guessing people have tired of repeating themselves.

 Manchu wrote:
Untangling the AoS content from the sub-forum of WHFB stuff would be tricky and maybe trickier than it is worth. For one thing, the content is already nicely sorted.

It wouldn't be hard to simply create a new catch-all board for WHFB and 9th Age (similar to the 30k board) and only move WHFB threads from the other boards when and as needed (when bumped/on page 1/etc) rather than a wholesale gutting.

I think we can all agree that WHFB's abrupt discontinuation and replacement is a rather unique case compared to Necromunda or Mordheim or DreadFleet - or even Epic.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
With the following AoS has, I find it difficult to understand that they get so many sub forums. There are other sections of the forum where tens/hundred of games are lumped into one.

I guess the forum admins will analyse the site data and thread counts when a decent enough passage of time has gone by. Remembering that half the AoS threads are people still moaning about AoS's existence.

Warmachine and Infinity both have several subforums each and they are way less active than the AoS forums. No one seems to object to that though.

Then get off your back side and do what we did to get both Warmachine and Infinity subforum. Note it was not be setting around asking for them. It was by showing there is the fan base and real non-filler post counts that did it. This is not Feild of Dreams.

Note we also tagged each thread with the game in the title so it easier to see the amount of threads for the game and make it easier to move the threads if we did get a subfourm. It take work to get the game you want in the spotlite, just like in real life trying to get poeple into the games.

 Azazelx wrote:
It wouldn't be hard to simply create a new catch-all board for WHFB and 9th Age (similar to the 30k board) and only move WHFB threads from the other boards when and as needed (when bumped/on page 1/etc) rather than a wholesale gutting.

This is the direction we may be heading, with a "Fantasy Mass Battles" board covering fantasy games with ranked regiments like KoW, WHFB Eight holdouts, and fan games like Ninth Age. The older WHFB content would remain a substratum beneath the existing AoS content.

The latest proposal on this front has a separate "legacy" board for WHFB, which would include discussion of Ninth Age. Kings of War could have its own board. As always, we welcome your thoughts.