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Main Box $100
Destroids $33 x2
Valk Wing $37 x2
Battlepods $37 x2
Zen Command Pack $37 x2
Artillery Pods $37
Gnerls $25?
MPA $25?
Ghosts $20?
FPA $33?
Lancers $20?

Keep in mind that they have been sending entire kits out and no partials so the Gnerls come 3 but each kit will likely have 6 so that could be a bonus. Same with the rest. We don't know. That's all wave 2 and we don't have any info on them yet.

Right there that estimate is $528

 Forar wrote:
I mean, I know you're a reasonable dude, Talizvar, but the mix of needing to keep reading between the lines and apparently getting shuffled back is killing what little excitement I'd been able to recapture.

You are better off than me.
How I was raised I cannot allow myself to get excited because quoting a game "Hope is a path that leads to disappointment." I can only allow excitement when the darn thing is in front of me and is mine.
Until then, I look for whatever means at my disposal to make the wanted thing happen so that mythical moment happens.
(Reasonable? me? If I was I would have waited till product hit shelves, I knew PB history far better than most.)

I was kinda not kidding about setting aside time to make sure the control freak in me could go down to Detroit and manage their packing efforts to ensure no screw-ups.
Problem is I am emotional enough about it to not want to reward them for being cheap (1.4 million!!!).
I audit suppliers and evaluate their systems for "business risk" so it would be an actual value added thing for PB.
I will not brag on most things but some 20 odd years of this makes me ok at what I do.

Seeing this Kickstarter is like folding a map wrong in front of me, I understand too well the challenges faced and the steps that could have been done to avoid some of the pain: I hate waste.
Too much unnecessary kicks in the teeth to PB's PR and too many hopes and dreams without enough planning and contingencies, risk assessment, make a bloody flow chart of what to do if things go south.

Getting preachy again, will stop here.

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 Mike1975 wrote:
What are we up to now? $56 for Battlecry?
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I'll raise that to $60

I wish... although honestly I'm not looking to gouge someone, I'm simply looking for people to break-even + shipping. So far though even though people want to sell they are expectant they'll get 300% markup apparently.

I sold mine at cost months ago.

 Mike1975 wrote:
Keep in mind that they have been sending entire kits out and no partials so the Gnerls come 3 but each kit will likely have 6 so that could be a bonus.

A Gnerl kit of 3 is no less sensible than a VT kit of 2; both represent a support card worth of mecha.

But yeah, the breakdown rapidly gets up there, I have doubts the Ghosts and Lancers will only be $20, and then you add in the 4 LE figures and $600'ish MSRP (or equivalent) seems about right.

So $400'ish at retail (after a 25-33% or so cut off MSRP at some of the online shops). Paying $130-170 for $400 or so in product leaves some pretty solid margins.

 Forar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
Keep in mind that they have been sending entire kits out and no partials so the Gnerls come 3 but each kit will likely have 6 so that could be a bonus.

A Gnerl kit of 3 is no less sensible than a VT kit of 2; both represent a support card worth of mecha.

But yeah, the breakdown rapidly gets up there, I have doubts the Ghosts and Lancers will only be $20, and then you add in the 4 LE figures and $600'ish MSRP (or equivalent) seems about right.

So $400'ish at retail (after a 25-33% or so cut off MSRP at some of the online shops). Paying $130-170 for $400 or so in product leaves some pretty solid margins.

Well, if you think about it a VT add-on pack comes with a squad of 2 units for the game BUT 7 figures if you count the extra Battloid and then 3 Sprues of whatever it was. If they keep the packages the same size that would mean 2 sprues of 3 Gnerls or 3 sprues of 2 for the same package. For shipping purposes and efficiency it makes sense to package all the add-ons the same way.

Then you have the Lancer and Ghosts, one sprue would be 2-3 minis. So if you have 2 sprues to a box......

At least that is the logic that makes that comes to mind.

.... a VT add on pack comes with 6 figures, period. The core box only comes with 6 Battloids because there are 5 sprues with a F and G on them, and then 3 sprues with 2 B's on them. Because the Battloid sprue is x 2, there's no way to just send 5 of them.

Assuming 3 Gnerls fit on a single sprue, shipping them as a cluster of 3 makes sense. If they fit 2 to a sprue, then yes, 6 makes sense.

Again, there's a pretty clear pattern of one box being 1 support card worth of things. 2 VTs. 6 Pods. Command box. The main place this falls down with Wave One is the Artillery, which are in a cluster of 4 despite being 6 to a 'full squad card'.

Hell, by that logic, they might ship them in boxes of 4, and maybe we'll get an extra.

 Forar wrote:
.... a VT add on pack comes with 6 figures, period. The core box only comes with 6 Battloids because there are 5 sprues with a F and G on them, and then 3 sprues with 2 B's on them. Because the Battloid sprue is x 2, there's no way to just send 5 of them.

Assuming 3 Gnerls fit on a single sprue, shipping them as a cluster of 3 makes sense. If they fit 2 to a sprue, then yes, 6 makes sense.

Again, there's a pretty clear pattern of one box being 1 support card worth of things. 2 VTs. 6 Pods. Command box. The main place this falls down with Wave One is the Artillery, which are in a cluster of 4 despite being 6 to a 'full squad card'.

Hell, by that logic, they might ship them in boxes of 4, and maybe we'll get an extra.

We might, I don't see the packaging changing at all from what we have. Also the Malcontent Artillery Squadron has 4 Artillery Pods in it. They are designing the add-ons by the # of sprues per box.

O.o

(edit: my numbers are wrong here, so I'm fixing them, though the general idea was right)

If I'm not mistaken, there are 3 types of sprue. A Fighter sprue, a Guardian sprue, with 1 of each, and a Battloid sprue, with 2 of them on it.

A core box has 5 VTs; 5 each of the Fighter & Guardian Sprues, 3 Battloid Sprues, because you can't get 5 using pairs. 13 sprues total.

A VT Kit should have 2 each of the Fighter and Guardian sprues, and 1 Battloid Sprue. 2 of each model. 5 sprues total.

Edit: I should've quoted you. Are you on board with the VT sprue setup, or do I need to break out MS Paint? :-P

Edit 2: the artillery pods are a unique position; 4 of them is 2 'support' cards worth, and 2 boxes gives you 8; a full squad of 6 and 2 more as a support card worth.

4 Gnerls doesn't work so well. You need 3 for a support or 6 for a full card, so having 8 is kind of useless. It's possible the sprues might simply be 1 gnerl per, so having 3 in a box fits the game math better.

VT Box
2 Battloid Sprues
2 Fighter Sprues
2 Guardian Sprues

Regults
2 Regult Sprues

Destroids
2 Destroid Sprues

Command Box
2 Sprues

Artillery Box
2 Sprues

So maybe 2 box sizes. An extra big one for the VT's?

Edit: wait a minute, let me go check something...

Gnerls if they stay 2 piece could likely be 3 to a sprue with some missiles thrown in.

Lancers are likely 2 to a sprue due to parts.

Ghosts are harder to guess at. Maybe 2 on a smaller sprue.


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Correction Arty Pods are 1 per sprue


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http://www.crittohit.com/imagestore/articles/5651/robotech-rpg-tactics-artillery-battlepod-sprue2.jpg

Here we go;

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/899716

Looks like Fighters come 1 to a Sprue, Guardians come 1 to a Sprue, but Battloids are 2 to a sprue.

So a VT expansion will have 5 sprues; 2 Fighter Sprues, 2 Guardian Sprues, 1 Battloid Sprue.


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Huh, so they are. Artillery boxes with 4 of them are going to be sizable, but then I suppose 5 sprues in a VT box will be a pretty decent size as well.

So add-ons having the same sized box may be out unless VT's are packed in tight and the Destroids and other packed as to not bounce around

I'd always assumed they'd have different sized boxes. A destroid box with 2 sprues for 1.5 inch tall figures will very likely be a different size than a box containing 4 sprues for 4 figures in the 3 inch+ range with a ton of options on it.

Consistency of packaging is nice at times, but it'd probably be a waste here.

Then again, I don't play many other miniatures games, but Wyrd doesn't really seem to give a gak about it. Some boxes are bigger than others, that's just how it is.

So price and # of sprues has no relation and the darn Command packs are really expensive per mini


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It'll be interesting to see if the Gnerls come 2 per sprue if they will sell them as a full squadron or not. If they come 3 per sprue then no problem.


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One Glaug right now costs as much as 2 battlepods, same with the scout pod.


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We'll need optional rules for the Recovery Pod so that they are not simply put in a drawer to sit. I always told them the ability on those was not worth it most of the time.

We've always known that about the pricing. The Command pack has always been 3 figures for the same price as 6, compared to the VTs/BPs. What do you think I was referencing when I kept pointing out that the figures cost "$6-12 each MSRP?" There's your $12/figure box right there!

3 per sprue for Gnerls makes the most sense if they can swing it, or 1 per. 2 per just makes a mess of their squadron sizes until one buys 3 boxes for 2 full squads.

*shrug* If after something like 2 years of testing and design the Recovery pods still suck, that's on them. And you, I guess. Go forth, young man. Fix the game! Do eeeet!

I'll only have 2 to build myself, and if I can't find a use for even 1-2 when I build Zentraedi forces, oh well.

 Mike1975 wrote:
VT Box - 2 Battloid Sprues, 2 Fighter Sprues, 2 Guardian Sprues

Regults - 2 Regult Sprues

Destroids - 2 Destroid Sprues

Command Box - 2 Sprues

Artillery Box - 2 Sprues

So maybe 2 box sizes. An extra big one for the VT's?

Except they're already all over the place. Valk box is 5 sprues (Batteloid are two per). Artillery Box is 4 sprues. I'm taking a wild guess, but I'd wager the MPA/FPA are going to be three sprues per box (one sprue per model, to account for the experimentals). Doesn't mean the external box size has to change, as long as it can fit what's needed.

EDIT: You and Forar seemed to figure most of that out in the time it took me to write it up and check my facts. Damn my slow typey fingers!

Hell, looking at some of the sprue pictures, I'm not even sure the frame size (the external boundry of the sprue) is consistant. It may just be camera perspective, but the Valk Fighter sprue looks significantly smaller than the Valk G sprue, which looks smaller than the paired Valk B sprue.

The only use the Recovery Pod has is to extend the range of the globe around a Glaug from 8 to 12 inches. While this can be useful, it seems costly at 10 points. I did offer a few alternatives.

Well, boxes are starting to land in people's hands. How goes the FAQ/Errata/Advanced Rules with PB?

once people have game in hand the strategy sessions can begin.....


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 Forar wrote:
Well, boxes are starting to land in people's hands. How goes the FAQ/Errata/Advanced Rules with PB?

They have it all, I've been trying to get them to have a conference call to have it approved this week or the next at the latest.

Sprue & Decal Pics

So it just came as the main box and a bag of sprues?

That's what is being reported on the KS comments as well.

Yep.

The bag of sprues also had bases, cards, and extra decals.

Interesting, I wonder if all the extra's were also the same exact cards and all or if there are cards in the extras that are not in the main box? Maybe add-on boxes are made to come with cards for each of the squadron or squads?

Looks like they're using at least three different sizes of frame (the three Veri sprues, but also Battlepod/Glaug and Recovery/Artillery). Means boxing them for retail either requires different sized boxes, box specific packing material, or a lot of rattling.

I hope a lot of rattling is not one of the options.....

 Mike1975 wrote:
Interesting, I wonder if all the extra's were also the same exact cards and all or if there are cards in the extras that are not in the main box? Maybe add-on boxes are made to come with cards for each of the squadron or squads?

Depends. Given that there are three models (Spartan/Phalanx/Zentradi Arthurs) in the BCUpgrade that aren't in the box, there'd have to be at least those (unless they're providing cards for units you don't get in the First Contacts too).

Well, Manchu, I'm looking forward to hearing your opinion on these figures once you have time to start trimming and building/painting them up.

 Forar wrote:
Well, Manchu, I'm looking forward to hearing your opinion on these figures once you have time to start trimming and building/painting them up.

I will try to build a battle pod tonight.