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Greetings again, gents.

The last tournament I went to was disastrous. Now running all 3 factions in a competitive environment, I have realized Imperials are just not for me. That said, there is a league starting up at my local shop, and I believe it's the first league they've done for X-wing. So, I'm thinking of trying something new, but also something not Imperial.

My idea I seem to like so far is a stress oriented list, which is something I'm not used to running. My list is as follows:

Nera Dantels (26)
- B-Wing/E2 (1)
- Tactician (2)
- Flechette Torpedoes (2)
- Extra Munitions (2)
- Fire Control System (2)
- Munitions Failsafe (1)

"Hobbie" Klivian (25)
- R3-A2 (2)

Eaden Vrill (32)
- Recon Specialist (3)

(98)

Decent Durability, plenty of shields, chance at Initiative, and plenty of Stress going out. What do you guys think? Anything you recommend I take instead, or any feedback from using lists similar to this?

Thanks in advance.

Eaden is pretty decent if you keep him cheap and have stressed targets to shoot at. But Flechette Nera seems like a large investment towards accomplishing that objective. Is it really worth the 8 points for 2 turns of 360 flechette shooting? Stress Hobbie is also kind of a questionable value. For almost the same price you can take a stresshog, which will dump twice as much stress and have better damage output.

I would suggest maybe using a Stress K-Wing and a Stresshog if you want to run Eaden. Otherwise, you might be better off just doing a more standard rebel control list (e.g., 3-4 stress giving ships, or 1 Ace and a couple of stress ships).

If you want to use Nera, then you gotta give her hard-hitting torpedoes and Guidance Chips. B-Wings with Proton Torpedoes and Guidance Chips usually hand out 2 critical hits when they shoot. Nera is still kind of a questionable choice even with the ordnance buff, but she's a lot more usable than before.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Eaden is pretty decent if you keep him cheap and have stressed targets to shoot at. But Flechette Nera seems like a large investment towards accomplishing that objective. Is it really worth the 8 points for 2 turns of 360 flechette shooting? Stress Hobbie is also kind of a questionable value. For almost the same price you can take a stresshog, which will dump twice as much stress and have better damage output.

I would suggest maybe using a Stress K-Wing and a Stresshog if you want to run Eaden. Otherwise, you might be better off just doing a more standard rebel control list (e.g., 3-4 stress giving ships, or 1 Ace and a couple of stress ships).

If you want to use Nera, then you gotta give her hard-hitting torpedoes and Guidance Chips. B-Wings with Proton Torpedoes and Guidance Chips usually hand out 2 critical hits when they shoot. Nera is still kind of a questionable choice even with the ordnance buff, but she's a lot more usable than before.

Was there a recommendation for the K-wing? And I've revised it a little, though I question it's damage output:

Esege Tuketu (28)
- Tactician (2)
- TLT (6)

Gray Squadron Pilot (20)
- R3-A2 (2)
- TLT (6)

Eaden Vrill (32)
- Tactician (2)

(98)


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I was thinking that I could also drop the TLT from the Y-wing for the Ion Cannon and the Title for still 2 Stress, but also to throw some Ion in there.

 krodarklorr wrote:

Was there a recommendation for the K-wing?

Miranda is a great pilot. Esege is good if you have another ship in your list that would really benefit from receiving an a focus token (maybe nera). Both fire before Eaden, and so can buff his attack.

Tactician on Eaden Virill is minimally useful. What he brings to the table is "cheap 3 dice turret". If you're also trying to maneuver him so that he can get ships in arc... then you're basically just playing a 3 dice ship, which you could get with a B-Wing/tactician.

 krodarklorr wrote:

I was thinking that I could also drop the TLT from the Y-wing for the Ion Cannon and the Title for still 2 Stress, but also to throw some Ion in there.

Try both configurations, see which one you like best. Ion isn't without merit, but the lack of range 3 and the lower overall damage output is problematic. Make sure you put the BTL-A4 title on your Y-Wing, otherwise you're only handing out 1 stress with the bot.

 DanielBeaver wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Was there a recommendation for the K-wing?

Miranda is a great pilot. Esege is good if you have another ship in your list that would really benefit from receiving an a focus token (maybe nera). Otherwise, a Warden with a TLT and tactician is a generally useful ship to have.

 krodarklorr wrote:

I was thinking that I could also drop the TLT from the Y-wing for the Ion Cannon and the Title for still 2 Stress, but also to throw some Ion in there.

Try both configurations, see which one you like best. Ion isn't without merit, but the lack of range 3 and the lower overall damage output is problematic.

Well, I was thinking I could downgrade to a Guardian Squadron pilot (PS4 is higher than Eaden, which means I can get that Stress on something before he attacks, theoretically), and that would save me 3 points. So, I thinking of keeing the TLT on the Y-wing, but adding an Ion cannon to Eaden.

So something like:

Eaden Vrill (32)
Ion Cannon (3)

Esege Tuketu (28)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Tactician (2)

Gray Squadron Pilot (20)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
R3-A2 (2)
BTL-A4 Y-Wing (0)

Total: 99

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Esege and the Stresshog hand out bucketfulls of stress dice, and just generally perform area-denial duties. Eaden can leach a focus from Esege to make his 3 dice attack stronger, or can use his Ion cannon if he's shooting at an unstressed target.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
So something like:

Eaden Vrill (32)
Ion Cannon (3)

Esege Tuketu (28)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Tactician (2)

Gray Squadron Pilot (20)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
R3-A2 (2)
BTL-A4 Y-Wing (0)

Total: 99

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Esege and the Stresshog hand out bucketfulls of stress dice, and just generally perform area-denial duties. Eaden can leach a focus from Esege to make his 3 dice attack stronger, or can use his Ion cannon if he's shooting at an unstressed target.

Well, if I'm keeping the TLT on the Y-wing, I wouldn't want to use the title. I would be throwing out stress, sure, but I would also never be able to do any red maneuvers, and wouldn't be able to fire outside my arc. As for Eaden, I'd still want a Tactician on him, so I'd probably drop Esege for the Guardian squadron pilot. Then Eaden could also stress while shooting his Ion.

What about Ion Projector? any thoughts about that? Eaden is so low of a PS that he could get in the way of ships and hope to Ionize them,

 krodarklorr wrote:
Well, if I'm keeping the TLT on the Y-wing, I wouldn't want to use the title.

You really do want to use the title. Double stress is powerful because there's no way of just blowing it off with a green maneuver - the enemy ship will not be doing an action next turn, which means no defensive tokens, which means the rest of your ships will have enhanced firepower against that target. Losing out-of-arc shooting is certainly a big downside... but you gain a lot in return. Plus, the Y-Wing's purported lack of maneuverability is vastly overblown: you've got good 1 and 2 speed white maneuvers, and you generally just want to be going slow and pivoting towards targets.

What about Ion Projector? any thoughts about that? Eaden is so low of a PS that he could get in the way of ships and hope to Ionize them

That's definitely an option: give it a try. Even if you don't successfully block, you can set up nasty range 1 shots.

 DanielBeaver wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Well, if I'm keeping the TLT on the Y-wing, I wouldn't want to use the title.

You really do want to use the title. Double stress is powerful because there's no way of just blowing it off with a green maneuver - the enemy ship will not be doing an action next turn, which means no defensive tokens, which means the rest of your ships will have enhanced firepower against that target. Losing out-of-arc shooting is certainly a big downside... but you gain a lot in return. Plus, the Y-Wing's purported lack of maneuverability is vastly overblown: you've got good 1 and 2 speed white maneuvers, and you generally just want to be going slow and pivoting towards targets.

What about Ion Projector? any thoughts about that? Eaden is so low of a PS that he could get in the way of ships and hope to Ionize them

That's definitely an option: give it a try. Even if you don't successfully block, you can set up nasty range 1 shots.

Would it not normally be 2 stress just by shooting with the TLT? Or does that not count as declaring two attacks?

 krodarklorr wrote:
Would it not normally be 2 stress just by shooting with the TLT? Or does that not count as declaring two attacks?

R3A2 triggers when you declare a target, not when you perform an attack. With BTL-A4, it will trigger once when you declare the target of your primary weapon attack, and once when you declare the target of your turret (TLT) attack, for a total of two stress.

By contrast, tactician triggers after you perform an attack. So a K-Wing with Tactician will deal out one stress after he performs his first TLT attack, and a second stress after he performs his second TLT attack. The difference here is the timing window, and it's what makes K-Wings with TLT and tactician so dangerous.

 DanielBeaver wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Would it not normally be 2 stress just by shooting with the TLT? Or does that not count as declaring two attacks?

R3A2 triggers when you declare a target, not when you perform an attack. With BTL-A4, it will trigger once when you declare the target of your primary weapon attack, and once when you declare the target of your turret (TLT) attack, for a total of two stress.

By contrast, tactician triggers after you perform an attack. So a K-Wing with Tactician will deal out one stress after he performs his first TLT attack, and a second stress after he performs his second TLT attack. The difference here is the timing window, and it's what makes K-Wings with TLT and tactician so dangerous.

Ah, okay. Well since the title costs nothing, I guess I'll give it a shot.