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How do the Tau formations work? for example, can I add a riptide wing to my non tau army and still have it count as battle forged?

Yes if your following the ally matrix. Note this isn't likely to make you friends

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Yes if your following the ally matrix. Note this isn't likely to make you friends

So I would need 1HQ and 1troop also?

 Nicky86 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Yes if your following the ally matrix. Note this isn't likely to make you friends

So I would need 1HQ and 1troop also?

Not Allied detachment, Alliance matrix. it tells you how different factions interact with each other while on the table in the same army

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Nicky86 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Yes if your following the ally matrix. Note this isn't likely to make you friends

So I would need 1HQ and 1troop also?

Not Allied detachment, Alliance matrix. it tells you how different factions interact with each other while on the table in the same army

I see. thank you


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HoundsofDemos wrote:
Yes if your following the ally matrix. Note this isn't likely to make you friends

not worried about that. You should see what my friends run

I feel bad for your meta then.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I feel bad for your meta then.

I feel bad for your attitude.

We all enjoy this game in our own way and if they are having fun more power for them.

That said from what i can guess from his comments he and his friends likely care more about winning and making increasingly stronger lists. Most of this is at the cost of fluff, painting, conversions and story telling.

I find that a shame.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
We all enjoy this game in our own way and if they are having fun more power for them.

That said from what i can guess from his comments he and his friends likely care more about winning and making increasingly stronger lists. Most of this is at the cost of fluff, painting, conversions and story telling.

I find that a shame.

Since when did playing cheese lists mean we don't talk or care about fluff? We only play the cheese lists against each other, since we are aware that there are people that don't enjoy playing that way. Shame on us for having fun.

I was looking more of the issue of pick up games getting harder and harder with out a lot of pregame talk. If two like minded individuals want to play at any level, that is great. The issue I've had lately is I've been on both sides of playing a fresh face and found what is facing me across the table was not what either us expected.

 Nicky86 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
We all enjoy this game in our own way and if they are having fun more power for them.

That said from what i can guess from his comments he and his friends likely care more about winning and making increasingly stronger lists. Most of this is at the cost of fluff, painting, conversions and story telling.

I find that a shame.

Since when did playing cheese lists mean we don't talk or care about fluff? We only play the cheese lists against each other, since we are aware that there are people that don't enjoy playing that way. Shame on us for having fun.

What you're defining as 'cheese' isn't what most would consider 'cheese'.

that is fair. I consider ally in what will be at best, an ally of convenience, a formation that lets you take a group of one of the best tau units with not HQ or troop tax to be to gamey if not cheese. It feels more like I want to win, than the story, the fluff the hobby. I just don't see the appeal of playing that way.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
that is fair. I consider ally in what will be at best, an ally of convenience, a formation that lets you take a group of one of the best tau units with not HQ or troop tax to be to gamey if not cheese. It feels more like I want to win, than the story, the fluff the hobby. I just don't see the appeal of playing that way.

That is a good point. formations allow you to take powerful units without the tax. I can see why someone would not want to play that

I like the idea of formations generally. Many allow people to play very cool lists that supported by the background and allow more uniqueness than the standard CAD. Where I think GW goofed was on a small hand full that either allow units to show up with no dead weight or give just a bit to much in free stuff. I personally prefer the pre necron 7th edition of alternative force org detachments. Those required you to make a hard call between giving up a CADs objective secure versus what every bonus they were given. Today I feel like that is becoming less and less of a hard choice.

ObSec doesn't even get on my radar, its too easy to just kill an ObSec unit and take the objective for yourself than to worry about you having ObSec.

SJ

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I was looking more of the issue of pick up games getting harder and harder with out a lot of pregame talk. If two like minded individuals want to play at any level, that is great. The issue I've had lately is I've been on both sides of playing a fresh face and found what is facing me across the table was not what either us expected.

You're assuming that pickup games are even an issue for him. Personally, the whole going to a store to get a game against a stranger is rather odd to me.