Servo Skulls and Deep Strike Reserves

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**Brutus_Apex**

Do servo skulls count towards having models on the table for the purposes of not auto loosing the game if you have an entire army in reserve?

**Elric Greywolf**

Servo skulls are not models for several reasons, one of which is they don't have a characteristic profile.
If all you have is skulls on the table, you lose at the end of the game turn.

**Homeskillet**

True story.

**Pain4Pleasure**

Negative you no longer lose a game for a zero deployment army. 7th changed that. So it's possible

**Charistoph**

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Negative you no longer lose a game for a zero deployment army. 7th changed that. So it's possible

If all your army is in Reserve and none can come in on Turn 1, than it would be auto-lose.

**MechaEmperor7000**

The inquisition codex states "Servo Skulls are treated as counters, rather than units, for all intents and purposes". So if you didn't have deepstrikers on your first turn, you would still lose.

**nekooni**

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Negative you no longer lose a game for a zero deployment army. 7th changed that. So it's possible

You do not loose for having nothing deployed at the beginning or end of your player turn, but if you do not have units on the table at the end of the first round, you loose the game.

Zero-Deployment with e.g. Drop Pod Assault is quite possible, but you still have to bring units on the table and KEEP them on the table.

And Servo Skulls are explicitly called "not units", so they never count.

**Brutus_Apex**

Ok, thanks for the replies.

Alright, I'll throw another one out there. Does a fortification count?

I'm really looking for all reserves coming in on second turn.

**Zimko**

fortifications that are capturable, such as bunkers, count as units for your side until someone steals them. So yeah, you can gamble that your opponent won't be able to steal or blow up your fortification on turn 1 in order to use reserves on turn 2. It's a bit of a risk though since a lot of armies can easily blow up a bunker or bastion on turn 1 if it means winning the game.

**Charistoph**

Zimko wrote:
fortifications that are capturable, such as bunkers, count as units for your side until someone steals them. So yeah, you can gamble that your opponent won't be able to steal or blow up your fortification on turn 1 in order to use reserves on turn 2. It's a bit of a risk though since a lot of armies can easily blow up a bunker or bastion on turn 1 if it means winning the game.

Ones purchased for your army also count as units, too. They don't have to be captured in deployment.

**Zimko**

Sorry if I wasn't clear but that is what I meant. Fortifications purchased for your army count as units for your army until someone steals them or blows them up.

**Happyjew**

Did they remove the blurb about buildings not counting as units for determining whether or not you have any units on the table?

**Zimko**

I'm not seeing anything stating that.

Spoiler:

**Lance845**

Pg 133. Terrain and victory conditions. Do not include any citadel scenery models when awarding victory points or determining a player has any units on the battlefield. The answer is no.