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Pretty much as the poll says... Would a space marine army benefit from using a lot of grav weaponry in a match against orks? Please discuss and explain!

It might not be as effective vs. orks, but there are still a few things it can do well against. Plus, I’m not a huge fan of list tailoring. If you generally bring grav, swapping it out right before you face off against a green tide is a little skeevy.

IMHO, YMMV, etc.

Grav is not only for infantry. It is also good at shooting vehicles which orks have been plenty of. Plus orks don't only have 6+

Unless you're going up against a lot of heavy armour such as Battlewagons, you're better off taking Plasma. Grav sucks against Orks' 6+ saves, and Plasma can take on pretty much anything else.

Its decent against Ork walker lists and battlewagon spam but otherwise its fairly meh compared to dealing with other armies like Necrons, Eldar or Tau.

Grav cannons or regular grav guns? Regular grav guns are far less useful. However, I contend that grav is more fair if you build your list BEFORE you know your opponent.

Ork lists have a lot of variety, as they have no real top tier builds so its hard to answer this question.

If you run into any ork list that is walker heavy, or has lots of MANz or vehicles, or bikes (4+ armor save) grav is better than any other option. If you run into a mostly green tide list, or lots of 30 ork boy blobs, grav is pretty terrible.

Even against a Greentide list, you'll have enough Bolters not to care. Plus with Bully Boyz and Bikers you'll definitely want to put the hurt on them.

every platform that carries grav also has some bolt gun weapon. Toss in a TFC or two and your'll be fine

Orks are literally the only race that dont care about gravs. By the time Wagons are immobilized, theyre already dumping off boyz anyway, nobody uses walkers, and you wound everything except Bikes and MANz on a 6+. There are far better options for dealing with MANz and bikes.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Orks are literally the only race that dont care about gravs. By the time Wagons are immobilized, theyre already dumping off boyz anyway, nobody uses walkers, and you wound everything except Bikes and MANz on a 6+. There are far better options for dealing with MANz and bikes.

Daemons say hi.


But yeah, Grav is only good/decent against vehicle-spam Ork lists and the heavier-hitting units. Against a Greentide you're better off with lasguns (!!!) than a grav gun.

Daemons still have some walkers (well, CSM) worth immobilizing and they can still put armor on their MCs.

Yea theyre less effective against Daemons than most other races but still better off than against Orks lol

Where's option D: Don't List Tailor and Instead Make A Balanved List That Doesn't Care What It's Fighting?

Apparently a lot of people are concerned with the list-tailoring implications... I should have written it better. The question was more about how effective grav is against orks in general, sorry for not being clear.

Against Orks you still have bolters, twin linked on a Bike, so orks are already taken care of. Then just target the right stuff, Mek guns, Mega armored bosses and Nobz, warbikes and koptaz, ork vehicles... that sort.

This is also assuming you only brought guyswith grav. This is why it's a good idea to toss a few speeder/TFC/sternguard in any list to have a little horde killing power. You don't need to kill them all just enough each round to slow down them getting into assault. The land speeder storm is a great little vehicle that gets you at HB/HF/AC and decent blast weapon underslung.

I vaguely favor grav cannons on tacticals, simply because you can move and shoot (while the other heavies can't usefully, except heavy flamers on BA, but Orks, fire, you know what to do . Grav guns and pistols, however, I'd stay away from in an Ork-heavy meta.

Grav is not amazing vs orks. First of all, if you're shooting it at 18", you're allready in charge range for mounted orks. Even footslogas could get to you on waaagh from time to time. Secondly, grav is awful against non-walker/battlewagon/meganob lists. It's not bad against bikers, though. It can't pierce VSG that most competitive ork lists include nowadays.

Anywayz, if you're usually bringing grav, do it. Don't tailor - it's a bad attitude.

Please bring lots of grav against Orks, Orks love grav

But seriously grav isn't great against your bread and butter Ork boy but its great vs Meganobz, Battlewagons, and Walkers while being decently good against Warbikers. On things like bikes you already have bolters which kill boyz decently enough. In general though you want loadouts which are effective against majority of enemy types and not having to list tailor to counter a certain enemy time. Besides Orks aren't a top tier army so its not like having a few ineffective weapons is going to doom your entire army to fail. If anything Orks make all those bolters which tend to plink off a lot of things actually relevant instead of having to rely on Melta/Plasma/Grav to do 90% of the work.

Well almost every Ork army in my area has a Warboss (with Mega Armour and da Lucky Stikk) with a load of Meganobz (often in a battle wagon) so if you were inclined to tailor I'd take a few.

Mek Gunz?

All they have to do is put one grot gunner in front of it and grav does nothing, they have no armor...

Still wound on 6-s.

 Nevelon wrote:
Plus, I’m not a huge fan of list tailoring.

+1 to this.
Play like you are going to a tourney and grab general-comers list. People would respect you more.

I build take all comers lists, this is the definition of list tailoring, and doing so against one of/if not the weakest armies in the game right now.

That said the grav guns do have a place but grav spam would not be as good as other weapons in a take all comers list.

Grav is sub-par against ork armies. At best, you would wound the majority of the army on 4+. Since there is no limited to the number of 'ard boy squads that can be taken now. Vehicles you need a 6 to hurt them. I think flamers, melta, and plasma are more ideal for dealing with orks.

I generally roll with 'eavy armour anywhere I can take it, so they might still be useful against me. But I fear flamers more than grav.

Grav is bad against orks. Right now you don't see lots of BW or MANz (usualy 1-2 units). I don't see bully boyz and blitz brigade often. Even against MANz grav is worse than lascanons or meltas, it doesn' deny fnp. Against trukks regular bolters are just as efective and lascanons and multimeltas have a higher chance to cause an explosion.