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2016/02/03 20:35:57
Subject: The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
I know that the entire universe of 40K and it's lore is made up, well obviously but with everything that has been thought up, published, and read by so many thousands of people there has to be some amount of those people that believe in the Chaos gods. I would think so at least, well so going on the thoughts that there are enough believer's of said gods there would be reason to believe that they have been conjured into real beings somewhere within the Immaterial realms that we don't see because of so many people believing?
Do Space Marines Ever Have Fun?
If By "Fun" You Mean "Scour The Xenos Scum From The Galaxy" Then Yes Space Marines Can Have Fun.
"Scour The Xenos Scum From The Galaxy"
That Sounds More Like Cleaning The Bathroom...
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2016/02/03 20:37:13
Subject: The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
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2016/02/03 20:40:00
Subject: The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
Could our thoughts have actually brought these gods into being is the most basic form of this question
Do Space Marines Ever Have Fun?
If By "Fun" You Mean "Scour The Xenos Scum From The Galaxy" Then Yes Space Marines Can Have Fun.
"Scour The Xenos Scum From The Galaxy"
That Sounds More Like Cleaning The Bathroom...
Xenos-B-Gone, The #1 Alien Killing Bathroom Cleaner Of The 41st Millenium... Ingrediants May Include 99% Promethium %1 Spark
Instructions: Saturate, Rinse, Repeat And Killit Bang!! Xenos Are Gone!
2016/02/03 20:46:00
Subject: The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
First, you must ask yourself if there are any "immaterial realms" that you know of in our existence.
Then you realize there is no answer to your question, it can't be proven or disproven. And cant be tested. It's something you can think is true if you want, but it will never be functional in real life and will never help anybody in a meaningful way.
Perhaps someday science will allow us to look into other dimensions that aren't necessarily "material" but these probably won't be anything as exciting and easy to conceive of as a "realm". If sentience exists in a form other than the one we understand and know is a question no one can answer for certain right now.
Even if an immaterial realm existed and you could point to it, math is against the realm even having anything to do with us. We are so small and insignificant. The thoughts of a few odd billion advanced apes would almost certainly pale in comparison to any other life that's out there, particularly their thoughts and emotions combined vs. Ours. This is assuming life exists elsewhere in the universe, of course. Humans simply aren't that important to anything but ourselves.
7500 pts Chaos Daemons
2016/02/03 22:26:25
Subject: The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
The various Discordians, Chaos Magick practitioners, Chaos Theorists, Kaositects, and related neo-Pagans are an interesting insight into this. It's fiction, but then so is everything else. Reality is a personal and subjective experience, shaped by the individual participant.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
2016/02/03 22:32:15
Subject: The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
Well, the whole idea of a god is unprovable by its very nature, because we have no real idea about what a god exactly is in the first place apart from that it is supposed to be some form of sentience that is so far above us we couldn't possibly ever understand or comprehend it. Thus even if we humans ever make up our mind on what exactly "god" is, we will likely never be able to find out whether a god exist or not. So the only answer possible is that we can't ever know whether we have brought the Chaos gods in existence or not. Even in the 40k universe, the Chaos gods are a belief, rather than a scientifically established fact (we only know they exist because we look from outside the setting)
I also highly doubt there is actual people believing in the Chaos gods from 40k. If so, I would be very interested in knowing what a worshipper of Khorne is up to in daily life. I bet he is some kind of boring office clerk
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2016/02/03 22:37:15
Subject: The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
Depends on the individual. In certain Discordian/Chaos Magick groups, gods are created as the need arises for doing different things. Right god for the right job and all that sort of thing.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
2016/02/03 23:32:15
Subject: Re:The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
Well, I think the first and most important fact to keep in mind when regarding 40k material is - very little is "original". I don't say that to belittle or insult GW / 40k, simply to state the obvious: it's satire. It's by and large borrowed/inspired by other things. So for example one could quite easily argue that "the warp" is what is colloquially known as "the afterlife" in our world. Often, it is pointed out that the Imperial Guard are indicative of WW1 trench fighters. In fact, for those of us with a flair for history, the designs of imperial tanks/vehicles is very clearly inspired by WW1 era vehicles (https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3223/2327945386_3ee6200089_b.jpg). Many of the concepts surround chaos and the nature of the warp that have been drawn from real life beliefs. For example, it is a common belief in many new-age dogmas that our emotions somehow broadcast and affect the world around us. Getting back to Earth and established fact - we've long known of the existence of things like the Observer Effect.. And while I can't cite a source or the validity, I recall hearing a discussion on how every decision we make spawns an infinite slew of universes where you didn't make the choice you made, akin to the point made by the Schrodinger's Cat example.
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2016/02/04 00:08:24
Subject: The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
Ask yourself, does God exist because people believe He exists?
To the members of the various groups I mentioned before, yes. That is exactly how reality works, according to the various Chaos Magick groups.
the various fictional groups you mentioned?
Or are you meaning the premise is fiction but these groups believe it?
Discordians, Xaositects, Chaos Magick groups, etc... are all actual groups of neo-pagans in real life. Whether their beliefs are fictional or not? That's a question of faith and religion that I'm not going to get into here.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
2016/02/09 10:26:20
Subject: The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
Iron_Captain wrote: Well, the whole idea of a god is unprovable by its very nature, because we have no real idea about what a god exactly is in the first place apart from that it is supposed to be some form of sentience that is so far above us we couldn't possibly ever understand or comprehend it. Thus even if we humans ever make up our mind on what exactly "god" is, we will likely never be able to find out whether a god exist or not.
So the only answer possible is that we can't ever know whether we have brought the Chaos gods in existence or not. Even in the 40k universe, the Chaos gods are a belief, rather than a scientifically established fact (we only know they exist because we look from outside the setting)
I also highly doubt there is actual people believing in the Chaos gods from 40k. If so, I would be very interested in knowing what a worshipper of Khorne is up to in daily life. I bet he is some kind of boring office clerk
Well that's interesting. One would think that at least the high spheres of the Imperium knew about Chaos Gods but thinking better I'm not so sure anymore.
I think Grey Knights knows though, right?
2016/03/02 23:07:13
Subject: The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
Well if a immatarium exists and belief in chaos gods would make them real, then people's belief in the Christian God would also make Him real. Since (I assume) more people believe in the Christian God than chaos gods the Christian God would be more powerful than chaos gods. Also the Christian God is all powerful and all knowing in that religion so He would destroy the chaos gods. So no, they can't exist no matter how you slice it.
2016/03/02 23:57:46
Subject: Re:The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
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2016/03/03 03:16:29
Subject: Re:The Warp? And what dewlls within could it really exist?
Do Space Marines Ever Have Fun?
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