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Hello everyone!

Today I wanted to talk about a house rule and to see what you all thought. The Leviathan FOC gives space for one compulsory Lord of War choice in the Primary detachment, two optional Lord of War choices in the Lord of War detachment, and a conventional Allied detachment.

One houserule we have been using locally is that the Allied detachment of the Leviathan Force Organization Chart only may use the same Army List as the Primary detachment, treated as Sworn Brothers, so that thematic armies (like a Solar Auxilia superheavy tank company) can be used. This, we reason, allows for the use of a Lord of War (or company of Lords of War) supported by its actual, native supporting elements rather than having to take out-of-army alternatives (for example, why can a Space Marine Fellblade Lord of War be supported by Solar Auxilia, but not the same legionnaires with which it routinely serves? Or, more potently, why can't Emperor's Children serve alongside their Fellblade but Alpha Legion can?).

Do you think this is a reasonable houserule or a terrible travesty of breaking the game?

Note: This is not going to be used as ammunition or anything in an argument. The group here collectively agrees with no dissent, but I thought it might be a worthwhile discussion to have within the framework of 30k, for some good thematic and fluffy reasons. That said, there is a possible loophole we didn't spot, or a terrible travesty of some kind waiting to happen, and the Internet can spot that sort of thing better than a few people in the UK or US.

I don't see why not, so long as people don't use this as an excuse to start a 40k like "arms race"

You can already do something similar in lists with Super heavy vehicles under 9 (?) hull points in a regular FoC.

but by the point that you can afford multiple fellblades, you're probably playing apocalypse, which has no real FoC

If you play it that way. We always have force org even for Apoc for balance reasons.

I wouldn't have an issue with that house rule. It makes a lot of sense for the reasons you mention and I am surprised FW overlooked it as an exception like they did.

I'd have no problem with it, and in fact think the idea that you couldn't add an allied detachment from the same army is pretty silly.

I don't see there being too much outcry; it's a sensible idea. A titan should be able to have mechanicus units guarding its feet.

For that matter, it's pretty easy to allow for 'counts as' to cover any minor differences; after all - the three Lord Of War fellblades and the astartes attached can be the same legion as far as anyone is concerned; with very few exceptions, there's no real difference between the legions' tanks - so just paint the 'alpha legion' tank as emperor's children, or whatever.

Equally, I know one thing Forge World themselves considers allowable is two imperialis militia regiments with different provenances to be allies to each other.

I probably ought to check in the book if it does actually say anywhere that the 'allied detachment' MUST be from a different army - you can't just take the read-across assumption from the main 40k rulebook because as forgeworld themselves emphatically say it's a different detachment with different rules.

locarno24 wrote:
I don't see there being too much outcry; it's a sensible idea. A titan should be able to have mechanicus units guarding its feet.

For that matter, it's pretty easy to allow for 'counts as' to cover any minor differences; after all - the three Lord Of War fellblades and the astartes attached can be the same legion as far as anyone is concerned; with very few exceptions, there's no real difference between the legions' tanks - so just paint the 'alpha legion' tank as emperor's children, or whatever.

Equally, I know one thing Forge World themselves considers allowable is two imperialis militia regiments with different provenances to be allies to each other.

I probably ought to check in the book if it does actually say anywhere that the 'allied detachment' MUST be from a different army - you can't just take the read-across assumption from the main 40k rulebook because as forgeworld themselves emphatically say it's a different detachment with different rules.

That's a good point. I actually looked myself, and it never says -outright- that an allied detachment must be from a different detachment, just that Primary and Lord of War detachments must themselves be from the same army list. That said, it -does- say to use the levels of alliance found on the Age of Darkness Allies Chart, and when you look at an army compared to itself you get a thunderous nothing.