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Just double checking, but I couldn't find a concrete answer in Eldar or 40k 7th edition rules codex.

In a Seer Council, each Farseer would draw 3 powers on their own rather than sharing 3 psychic powers between the two correct? However, Warlocks in the Seer Council would share the number of psychic powers based on their Mastery Level.
   
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Yes. The Warlock Conclave has a rule saying they all produce warp charges but only collectively count as a ML1, 2 or 3 psycher when generating powers. The Farseers don't have this rule.

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Perfect, thanks for clarification!
   
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My pleasure! Watch out though. The unit can still only use a particular power once per phase so far as I know so bear this in mind if rolling on the same discipline for both Farseers.

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Where is this rule stated?
   
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Don't know the exact page, but it's in the psychic phase section.

Basically a unit cannot attempt to cast the same psychic power multiple times.

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Which brings all sorts of rules issues up when putting ICs into units.
   
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Fragile wrote:
Which brings all sorts of rules issues up when putting ICs into units.

PSpcifically Psyker ICs in units with Brotherhood of Psykers rule.

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 Happyjew wrote:
Don't know the exact page, but it's in the psychic phase section.

Basically a unit cannot attempt to cast the same psychic power multiple times.


"Assuming you have enough wapr charge points, you can alternate back and forth between the same psyker units in this way, but no unit can attempt to manifest the same psychic power more than once per psychic phase.."
Psychic Phase, Manifesting Psychic Powers, last sentence of the first paragraph, bold part. P.24 BRB.

However, psyker unit and unit are used several times interchangeably in this paragraph as a way to refer to psykers and units with the brotherhood of psykers special rule. Therefore I see this as a clumsy restatement of the previous edition's prohibition against casting the same power more than once by an individual psyker or brotherhood of psykers and not as a deliberate new restriction aimed at units composed of more than one psyker.

That's HIWPI obviously, but considering the bad writing and misleading emphasis in this section (e.g. "The number of spychic powers a psyker can use each turn depends on his mastery level." depends =/= equals ), I am confident that this is the correct way to handle it.




   
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 Stephanius wrote:
 Happyjew wrote:
Don't know the exact page, but it's in the psychic phase section.

Basically a unit cannot attempt to cast the same psychic power multiple times.


"Assuming you have enough wapr charge points, you can alternate back and forth between the same psyker units in this way, but no unit can attempt to manifest the same psychic power more than once per psychic phase.."
Psychic Phase, Manifesting Psychic Powers, last sentence of the first paragraph, bold part. P.24 BRB.

However, psyker unit and unit are used several times interchangeably in this paragraph as a way to refer to psykers and units with the brotherhood of psykers special rule. Therefore I see this as a clumsy restatement of the previous edition's prohibition against casting the same power more than once by an individual psyker or brotherhood of psykers and not as a deliberate new restriction aimed at units composed of more than one psyker.

That's HIWPI obviously, but considering the bad writing and misleading emphasis in this section (e.g. "The number of spychic powers a psyker can use each turn depends on his mastery level." depends =/= equals ), I am confident that this is the correct way to handle it.

It doesn't help that the first couple paragraphs for the Psychic Phase states that 'Psyker' and 'Psyker unit' are synonymous, and they are defined as a unit with a Psyker model, Brotherhood of Psyker, or Psychic Pilot rule.

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Yeah, the psychic phase rules are a mess.

When building lists or playing, I usually work around the messy bits - so in this case just pick different disciplines for no overlap - to avoid delays caused by rule discussions. That is just convenience however. ;-]

   
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It's not a problem at all. If a IC is part of a unit he counts as that unit for all rules purposes. The unit can attempt to cast each power once. Done.


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Lance845 wrote:
It's not a problem at all. If a IC is part of a unit he counts as that unit for all rules purposes. The unit can attempt to cast each power once. Done.


And if the IC is part of a non-psyker unit, he no longer can use any powers since the is part of that unit for all rules purposes.

RAW is broken badly in the Psychic rules and needs lots of houserule patchwork.
   
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Fragile wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
It's not a problem at all. If a IC is part of a unit he counts as that unit for all rules purposes. The unit can attempt to cast each power once. Done.


And if the IC is part of a non-psyker unit, he no longer can use any powers since the is part of that unit for all rules purposes.

RAW is broken badly in the Psychic rules and needs lots of houserule patchwork.

The definition of Psyker unit answers that question at least.

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Fragile wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
It's not a problem at all. If a IC is part of a unit he counts as that unit for all rules purposes. The unit can attempt to cast each power once. Done.


And if the IC is part of a non-psyker unit, he no longer can use any powers since the is part of that unit for all rules purposes.

RAW is broken badly in the Psychic rules and needs lots of houserule patchwork.


A unit is a psyker unit if it contains any models with psyker rules. A IC that joins a non psyker unit still generates warp charges and gets to cast them. It's really not that complicated.


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Lance845 wrote:

A unit is a psyker unit if it contains any models with psyker rules. A IC that joins a non psyker unit still generates warp charges and gets to cast them. It's really not that complicated.


Ok, so here’s a question for you and that interpretation of the psyker rules and comes back to the seer council formation:

Imagine I have a seer council and have say… two more Farseers join the council from a CAD. If all these psykers and their different disciplines count as a single ‘psykic unit’ then RAW all the psykers in this unit has access to each other’s psykic powers (this becomes more important when the benefits of this formation allows certain models to pass psykic tests on an improved roll)

Now this means if I ally in a Corsair psyker I could summon demons on an improved psykic test and just say a warlock is casting it (may break the game due to having two separate perils of the warp tables) Or I could have harlequin powers being cast by a farseer etc.

(There are better examples of abusing this exploit but those were a few that came of the cuff as it were)

So to the OP, I'd suggest contacting your gaming group and asking how they play the psykic phase, in my experience it tends to vary from place to place and from tournament to tournament (ETC and ITC IIRC)

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