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Some friends of mine have agreed to try a quick duel before our next game.
Who would you put your money on? I'm not too familiar with the chaos/nid codex so I haven't the foggiest. The nid player is new so for the sake of fairness lets assume all models are built to be CQC beatsticks


Don't ask how we're making a fair 3 way duel, I'm not convinced we can...

Lysander has a S10 hammer and a stormshield, and is the only one of the three with Eternal Warrior. The DP dies to the first unsaved wound. The Tyrant would last just a bit longer.

This really isn't much of a contest.

 undertow wrote:
Lysander has a S10 hammer and a stormshield, and is the only one of the three with Eternal Warrior. The DP dies to the first unsaved wound. The Tyrant would last just a bit longer.

This really isn't much of a contest.

Assuming the DP plays fair. My Lash of Slaanesh, Psychic shenanigans, and Wings say otherwise.

Hive Tyrant loses for sure. No invulnerable save means it's dead.

After that, it comes down to Lysander and the DP. Lysander probably takes it, but a Nurgle prince with Biomancy could put up a hell of a fight.

The Hive Tryant will get trashed but you have to take psychic powers, gifts and rewards into consideration for the prince... these are all random so I rank Darnath numero uno .

Can Demon Princess get EW? cause otherwise the first hammer hit is lights out.

Lysander hands down. with a S10 Concussive Hammer, a 3++ invul save, Eternal Warrior and 4 wounds, even if he's beaten within an inch of his life he'll still win. The Tyrant can only win by being a FMC and spamming Devourer shots, and even then it's only by virtue of Lysander not being able to attack it (the daemon prince won't be so lucky).

Don't forget that Lysander gets FNP too if he's your Warlord.

Giving the Hive Tyrant or DP wings would invalidate the entire point of the match up as Lysander would be unable to do anything at all.

I would give it to Lysander due to his S10 hits and incredible tankyness.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Can Demon Princess get EW? cause otherwise the first hammer hit is lights out.

Pretty easy to do with Black Legion, there is an EW relic as well as a Daemon Weapon available.

Nurgle Daemon Prince ML 2 Psyker rolling on Biomancy. If you can pick up the right powers you will end the fight handily, and care not at all what Lysander is carrying.

On the other hand, Lysander works no matter what, DP needs to get the right stuff to make him stick around, and that's not reliable enough to give it to him.

Rules wise, I would have to say it is all in Lysander's favour, the dude is a tank.

Ok didn't realise this fight was so (potentially) one sided...

How about if you post how you would go about running a DP/HT in this situation? None of the guys involved (including myself) are particularly good at adding upgrades effectively (nid player hhas never used them and chaos guy doesn't use DP much), but I'm getting off lucky with laysander's lack of options. So, in the spirit of fairness, how would you max your chances (CQC only, the guys want to see their MCs tear some limbs off).

I suppose the HT could have Guard, reroll ones, be I8, instant death on 6s, S8 on the charge, or have shooting before hand.
Or could even be the Swarmlord.

The Deamon Prince could be Belakor and be invisible.
Or be faster, tougher, stronger with more attacks.

*shrugs*

Here is a build, using the Black Legion supplement.

VotLW ---> Hatred (SM)
Daemon of Tzeentch ---> Better saves
Spineshiver Blade ---> +1 Init, Daemon Weapon
Skull of Ker'ngar ---> Eternal Warrior, Adamantium Will
Gift of Mutation ---> ???

DPs probably gets around 9 attacks, strikes first, hits on 3's, rerolls misses on the first round, wounds on 2's. Basically that Storm Shield is going to get a workout.

I'd swap the Hive Tyrant for the Swarmlord, gives him better WS, 1 extra wound over the normal HT and best of all a 4++ in close combat. And at ML3 he has a 50/50 chance of getting the Catalyst power to give himself Feel No Pain for a little extra survivability. Lysander may still win, but it'll be a closer fight.

Lysanders built in EW, FNP and 3++ makes this pretty one sided along with hits strength 10 hits. The DP or HT need so much to go right for them, and even then it's going to be a fight.

 Imateria wrote:
I'd swap the Hive Tyrant for the Swarmlord, gives him better WS, 1 extra wound over the normal HT and best of all a 4++ in close combat. And at ML3 he has a 50/50 chance of getting the Catalyst power to give himself Feel No Pain for a little extra survivability. Lysander may still win, but it'll be a closer fight.

Don't forget ID on his attacks which negates FnP

HoundsofDemos wrote:
even then it's going to be a fight.

A good fight is exactly what we're aiming for

Possible Tyrant build

Hive Tyrant [Acid Blood, Adrenal Glands, Lash Whip & Bonesword, Old Adversary, Powers of the Hive Mind, Psyker (Mastery Level 2), Scything Talons]

Gives him 6 attacks on the charge, reroll 1s, hes MC so ap2 and acid blood might chip a wound or two off.

But I second just subbing in the Swarmlord if you want a closer fight.

This is a good build too:

VotLW ---> Hatred (SM)
Daemon of Tzeentch ---> Better saves
Spineshiver Blade ---> +1 Init, Daemon Weapon
Skull of Ker'ngar ---> Eternal Warrior, Adamantium Will
Gift of Mutation ---> ???

DPs probably gets around 9 attacks, strikes first, hits on 3's, rerolls misses on the first round, wounds on 2's. Basically that Storm Shield is going to get a workout