Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

My regular marine opponent loves to wait for my legions to move forward, then deep strike assault terminators and other nasties behind my lines. What Necron unit would be best suited to quickly taking out a unit of assault terminators?

Flayed Ones (with as many buffs as you can give them). The Storm Shields mean that low-AP is a waste of time and the best and fastest way to put them down is through weight of attacks.

Seriously, Flayed Ones.... the ridiculous number of attacks and low pts per model = Terminators losing saves and dying.

Imho, Use flayed ones against the TH/SS terminators, HGC carrying units against LC ones.

Don't sent the Flayed ones against all LC Terminators, they strike first, if they charge you, they have 20 attacks with shred, statistically you will lost 4 guys before getting to strike, even if you have 4+ RP, if you charge them, they still get 15 attacks first, so 3 of the flayed ones will not get to swing.

And don't shoot/swing AP2 weapons against the TH/SS guys, since they will shrug off with 3++.

Flayed Ones, and obviously Wraiths. The Wraiths would keep them tied up indefinitely.

If you're like most Necron players and your list has omitted Flayed Ones, just throw a few Wraiths into combat with them.
You'll tie them up for the remainder of the game, turning them into wasted points.

 skoffs wrote:
If you're like most Necron players and your list has omitted Flayed Ones, just throw a few Wraiths into combat with them.
You'll tie them up for the remainder of the game, turning them into wasted points.

Don't care for Flayed Ones?

 krodarklorr wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
If you're like most Necron players and your list has omitted Flayed Ones, just throw a few Wraiths into combat with them.
You'll tie them up for the remainder of the game, turning them into wasted points.

Don't care for Flayed Ones?

Nono, I think they're quite good (now),
but your average Necron player doesn't typically include them in their lists... where as Wraiths are common as dirt.
So if OP is like most Necron players and doesn't have a decent amount of FOs on hand, I thought I'd just offer my two cents as far as alternatives go.

 skoffs wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
If you're like most Necron players and your list has omitted Flayed Ones, just throw a few Wraiths into combat with them.
You'll tie them up for the remainder of the game, turning them into wasted points.

Don't care for Flayed Ones?

Nono, I think they're quite good (now),
but your average Necron player doesn't typically include them in their lists... where as Wraiths are common as dirt.
So if OP is like most Necron players and doesn't have a decent amount of FOs on hand, I thought I'd just offer my two cents as far as alternatives go.

Ah, fair enough. Yeah, it doesn't help that Flayed Ones are $45 for 5 dudes. Only reason I got a full squad of 20 when the codex dropped was I bought 3 boxes, luckily had a kit with a guy missing a bit, and GW sent me another box. I then ordered the replacement bits for the "dead" dude, and bam, 20 Flayed Ones.

Most people don't have the money for those models (And I don't blame them). There is always conversions to Necron Warriors you could do, though.

Fix them in place with wraiths then finish them with pointy lychguard. Cut them to rippons. Alternatively triach praetorians - shoot them, charge them, kill them.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
If you're like most Necron players and your list has omitted Flayed Ones, just throw a few Wraiths into combat with them.
You'll tie them up for the remainder of the game, turning them into wasted points.

Don't care for Flayed Ones?

Nono, I think they're quite good (now),
but your average Necron player doesn't typically include them in their lists... where as Wraiths are common as dirt.
So if OP is like most Necron players and doesn't have a decent amount of FOs on hand, I thought I'd just offer my two cents as far as alternatives go.

Ah, fair enough. Yeah, it doesn't help that Flayed Ones are $45 for 5 dudes. Only reason I got a full squad of 20 when the codex dropped was I bought 3 boxes, luckily had a kit with a guy missing a bit, and GW sent me another box. I then ordered the replacement bits for the "dead" dude, and bam, 20 Flayed Ones.

Most people don't have the money for those models (And I don't blame them). There is always conversions to Necron Warriors you could do, though.

I used warriors and swords from lychguard boxes. Even glued a few whip coils from a wraiths box onto hands. Spray paint, dip, sprinkle on Blood for the Blood God! and bang. Done.

Charging
No AP. 10 Flayed Ones (130points) = 50 attacks, 25 hit, 18.7 wound, =3.1 Dead Terminators
AP2. 5 Praetorians (140points) = 15 attacks, 7.5 hit, 4.95 wounds = 1.6 Dead Terminators
Rending. 3 Wraiths (120 points) = 12 attacks, 6 hits, 5 wounds, .94(ish) Dead Terminators

Of all those, Wraiths are probably the best bet with a 3++ and Fearless. The others die on the counter strike.

You should probably at least compare similar points. You're able to get a lot more Flayed Ones for the same price as the Terminators.
Don't forget that the Praetorians strike first IN ADDITION to the fact they can shoot at AP2 as well. That definitely needs to be factored in.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You should probably at least compare similar points. You're able to get a lot more Flayed Ones for the same price as the Terminators.
Don't forget that the Praetorians strike first IN ADDITION to the fact they can shoot at AP2 as well. That definitely needs to be factored in.

They are similar to each other in point cost. As for the Terminators, that would all depend on numbers and gear. They all strike first against TH/SS Terminators, but only the Wraiths strike first vs Lightning Claw ones.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
If you're like most Necron players and your list has omitted Flayed Ones, just throw a few Wraiths into combat with them.
You'll tie them up for the remainder of the game, turning them into wasted points.

Don't care for Flayed Ones?

Nono, I think they're quite good (now),
but your average Necron player doesn't typically include them in their lists... where as Wraiths are common as dirt.
So if OP is like most Necron players and doesn't have a decent amount of FOs on hand, I thought I'd just offer my two cents as far as alternatives go.

Ah, fair enough. Yeah, it doesn't help that Flayed Ones are $45 for 5 dudes. Only reason I got a full squad of 20 when the codex dropped was I bought 3 boxes, luckily had a kit with a guy missing a bit, and GW sent me another box. I then ordered the replacement bits for the "dead" dude, and bam, 20 Flayed Ones.

Most people don't have the money for those models (And I don't blame them). There is always conversions to Necron Warriors you could do, though.

Shame they are in finecast too. But yeah Flayed Ones are awesome. Only my newly converted Necron mates all swear by Harvests (and having multiple Solar Staffs but let's not get into that).

Wouldn't the praets get hammers of wrath attacks on the charge too? Is this included in the calculations?

Oh yeah.

It wouldn't make much a difference (you are getting in 3 wounds against a 2+) but that fraction MIGHT get that total to 2 dead Terminators. That's not bad. Factor in shooting and a Praetorian squad with Rods kills stuff well.

PLUS nobody would take them outside their formation. They get to reroll everything against a chosen squad. I don't feel like doing math for that though.

 Frozocrone wrote:


Shame they are in finecast too. But yeah Flayed Ones are awesome. Only my newly converted Necron mates all swear by Harvests (and having multiple Solar Staffs but let's not get into that).

You can only have one solar staff per army.

Neophyte2012 wrote:
Imho, Use flayed ones against the TH/SS terminators, HGC carrying units against LC ones.

Don't sent the Flayed ones against all LC Terminators, they strike first, if they charge you, they have 20 attacks with shred, statistically you will lost 4 guys before getting to strike, even if you have 4+ RP, if you charge them, they still get 15 attacks first, so 3 of the flayed ones will not get to swing.

And don't shoot/swing AP2 weapons against the TH/SS guys, since they will shrug off with 3++.

I changed my mind, even against Ligtning Claw Terminators, Flayed Ones are great. 5 LC Terminators costs 175pts, for the same points, Necrons could have 13 Flayed Ones, even if you lost 4 guys before I2 step, you could have at least 36 Attacks back, roughly will kill 2 Terminators, so you spent 52pts models to remove enemy 70pts models.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Oh yeah.

It wouldn't make much a difference (you are getting in 3 wounds against a 2+) but that fraction MIGHT get that total to 2 dead Terminators. That's not bad. Factor in shooting and a Praetorian squad with Rods kills stuff well.

PLUS nobody would take them outside their formation. They get to reroll everything against a chosen squad. I don't feel like doing math for that though.

Mate I just made another thread about MathHammering. I was wondering what the formulas are, I understand the basics but there seems so many variables it gets daunting! If you have a bit of time could you post there or PM me about it?

Wraiths, they counter all of the assault terminators main strengths. High S low AP? T5 and a 3+ invul so no ID.

2+ armor? Rending at s6 (Perfect to wound on 2+)

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
nobody would take them [Praetorians] outside their formation. They get to reroll everything against a chosen squad.

Careful, there.
(they only get to reroll for shooting)