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I would like advice on which army should I choose: so that it wouldn't be too cheesy, shooty and defensive.
I already have a ork gun line based on shoota boyz and a battlewagon fortress (4 big shootas, 1 killkannon), but i can't deal with deep strikers.
so I'm looking for a xeno or an imperial army.

Orks.

But that's just 'cause I like 'em.

But how do I make them deal with deep strikers (sanguinary guard)

Necrons are shooty and defensive. They have a reputation for cheese, but you can mitigate this by watering down your list. Deathmarks are a good unit that can deal with deep strikers very well, but they aren't incredibly overpowered or cheesy.

No-one suggested Guard yet?

If you've got space for a morkanaut it'll eat those sanguinary gaurd but it isn't the most efficient. Otherwise even a deff dread could seriously maul them and be relatively safe. Throw 3 or 4 pks and they shall die. If there is more than one unit of gaurd then you'll need more but the one thing walkers excel at is killing 2+ infantry.

cranect, thanks for the tip about the deff dread I just happen to have one unpainted.
Krusha I thought about an imperial guard army, but it can get expensive.
if there is a way to save money please let me know.

Sanguinary guard melt to SAG or Kustom Mega Kannon Mek Gun Batteries if they don't have a way to deepstrike close enough to screw with their shooting. Sanguinary Guard are also fairly easy to handle as Orks in CC since a mob of boyz with a Nob wielding a PK should be able to wipe them, or at least maim them enough to severely hamper their damage output, even if they're led by a Sanguinary priest.

 Krusha wrote:
No-one suggested Guard yet?

That's it. Shooty + Defensive + non-cheesy, currently.

IG.

Yes a power klaw could work, but anything else fails because my brother hasn't failed a single save in a seven round game.
I mean a 2+ save. (Sanguinary guard although i threw 50 shoota dice at them and then charged with 20 shoota boyz although no PK)

Power klaws are the bread and butter for an Ork army. Even in a shooty one you should always strive to fit in a PK Nob or character in each boy unit if you can. It is the workhorse of the Ork army, and I suggest you get some mega nobz since they will make mince meat out of sanguinary guard (whose swords bounce off their 2+ save and their axes go simultaneously with the PK, meaning at the very worst both units wipe each other out, but with 2 wounds a pop I'd edge it to the Mega Nobz winning out).

Dark angels are quite good and have a large array of shooty powers, they can be tough to deal with but aren't stupidly strong

They even are equipped to deal with assaulting armies with their overwatch BS being higher than most races

If I will play dark angels i wouldn't be playing to their full potential as I hate bikes and terminator lists, but maybe it is possible to go around it.

Seriously, Guard with a Fortress of Redemption. Fluffy as hell but not cheese because the Fortress isn't really worth its points cost.

I like Orks, and it's likely the pendulum will swing in their favour with the next Codex (although I've said that before), so you could do worse than a Shoota Boyz army.

Plenty of Big Shootas in your Mobs, Tank Bustas and Burnas in Trukks as your flanking units, and Dreads and Kans to bolster your line (I love Grotzookas) will give you a strong mass to control territory. If you want something big and scary then scratchbuild a Frorkasplork or a Blorkadork, because they'll keep pace with your infantry and can carry elite units and HQs.

Speaking of which; don't bother with a Boss or Nobz, because there's no practical way you'll be able to make them shooty. Meks with KFFs and Weirdboyz are fairly solid support HQs.

 Krusha wrote:
No-one suggested Guard yet?

+1 to this.
If you just want to turtle the entire game, guard is a great army for it.

The problem is that the game today does not encourage turtleing as a strategy. You need to get out there and grab objectives.


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 Spineyguy wrote:
I like Orks, and it's likely the pendulum will swing in their favour with the next Codex (although I've said that before), so you could do worse than a Shoota Boyz army.

I love Orks too, but look at the trends over the past 20 years.

The same armies have tended to stay on top. Eldar, Marines of various flavors, Tau, Necrons.
The same armies have tended to stay on bottom. Orks, DE, SoB, CSM.

There are spikes were an army will be good, like when Helldrakes first appeared, but over the long term, specific armies have been on the lower tier longer. As much as I love the boys, they have been on the lower tier for a long time.

Yes guard is a good way to go, but they are nearly two times more expensive then any other army, if of course you don't take a mechanized list which I am not keen on doing

I'd suggest sticking it out with Orks, or, at minimum, don't let Sanguinary Guard force you to buy and paint up another army.

You see its not the sanguinary guys who are making me buy another army, its that I really like the concept of the imperium I just don't know which army to choose, yeah sure orks are fun, but the imperium has a different feel to it.

No one has suggested AdMech with Skitarii Allies.

Kastelans are SUPER defensive and can throw out 6 Str 6 shots each, Kataphrons of both variety put out tons of Dakka and are T5. The Tech Priest just makes them even tougher.

On the Skitarii side we have the Onagers with their Str 10 AP 1 blast as well as rangers for some long range troops and some snipers.

I run my army like this and it is really fun. Plus everything is basically relentless and can fire two weapons so you just walk forward while throwing out tons of shots. Everything seems to have FNP as well also.

sushi2001 wrote:
If I will play dark angels i wouldn't be playing to their full potential as I hate bikes and terminator lists, but maybe it is possible to go around it.

An alternative to DA then might be vanilla SM codex White Scars. With Hit and Run across your whole army, it makes it hard to pin you down in assault. Although Bikes are a good unit to take for White Scars, it isn't absolutely necessary to have a fun list. I usually take Khan for the access to Scouting Rhinos, and just multiple units of tactical squads in rhinos. In a Battle Company, those rhinos don't even cost you any points! When playing this way, I take lots of Grav weaponry, since it is good against a large variety of targets and can be fired from the top hatch on the move fairly effectively still.

Aren't skitarii a little cheesy?


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As I previously said, FoxPheonix123 I would like my army to sit and shoot and not to drive around like crazy in rhinos and bikes.

Am Mech (both codexes are only cheesy if you either A. run the war convocation to get a ton of free upgrades B. Using allies to get them pods/Rhinos. If you run them on foot, as intended they arn't that bad of an army to play against.

Thanks HoundsofDemos! I will look into them


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I just took a look at the militarum tempestus I think they could act as a defensive army, deep striking on the important positions and also they can quickly dispatch my very hated astrates.
If allied with some footsloggin' skitarii they could work.

 labmouse42 wrote:
I love Orks too, but look at the trends over the past 20 years.

The same armies have tended to stay on top. Eldar, Marines of various flavors, Tau, Necrons.
The same armies have tended to stay on bottom. Orks, DE, SoB, CSM.

There are spikes were an army will be good, like when Helldrakes first appeared, but over the long term, specific armies have been on the lower tier longer. As much as I love the boys, they have been on the lower tier for a long time.

Orks have had their share too, but I take your point.

For my money, the relative strength of an army is a seriously over-estimated indicator of its suitability. If a particular faction suits your play-style and has some reasonably strongish builds then go for it. Even in most tournament scenes, your tactical prowess and ability to roll dice has as much to do with your success in games as the army you choose. Take a force you like and can invest yourself in, practice with it and remember that there's an awful lot more to the hobby than your win:loss ratio.

Just as an aside, but storm troopers are pretty terrible. The models are cool and a unit or two isn't going to ruin your list but they are way over costed for what they do.

As Spineyguy mentioned: it not your win: lose ratio that matters I can lose as much as I like, but I have to like the army, Even if I play indestructible space marines I still would not be happy as i hate the astrates for their 3+ save and models (most of them)