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Hey folks, how do mortals survive being on daemon worlds considering they need to be protected in their vessels by Gellar Fields or get eaten by the warp nasties? Do the daemon princes/lords who rule these worlds offer a sort of protection? If that's the case, why would chaos ships that have daemon princes on board need Gellar Fields?

Maybe think about a planet having its own effective Gellar field by nature of it being a planet?

I would suggest that "survive" is relative, warped, twisted, mutated and corrupted but still alive does that count?

Also the mortal minions of the Chaos Gods are just the mortal versions of daemons and they would want to keep them alive so why would they kill them? I would guess just being a chaos worshipper would give you a degree of protection from at least the God you worships daemons. Plus I would expect them to have found other more esoteric ways to protect themselves from daemons other than the Gellar field - think warp totems and charms, enchanted juju beads or whatever.

TheWanderer covers the planet question better than I could have, but I'd like to add that daemons in the warp might not give a feth who is in board that ship, and just want to get everyone's souls. Daemons aren't a unified force, and that daemon prince won't always be enough of a convincing threat for other daemons to leave his ship alone.

Well Word Bearers seems to not use gf while in warp.

Ultimately, a Gellar Field is a pocket of reality used as a mechanical 'shield' against daemonic attack - if you have sufficient daemonological skill, or power, no, you don't need such a thing.

I suspect the daemon which got loose on Ahriman or Kor Phaeron's ships would not enjoy the experience.

On the other hand, a Gellar Field is less draining; no-one wants to spend all their time and power protecting their ship if they don't have to. At the same time, yes, wards and runes can do much the same job.

For a daemon prince, of course, it's a fairly trivial act.

Note that Daemon Worlds aren't exactly 'the warp' - regions like the Maelstrom and the Eye of Terror are places where the warp and real space have bled over the top of one another, and which set of rules predominates in any given moment is highly variable and largely depends on the whim of the gods and any of their higher daemons who happen to be in the vicinity.

That said, a daemon world...especially on the fringes of a storm region...can be perfectly inhabitable - if incredibly hostile.

Getting exposed to the warp without a Geller field isn't necessarily instant death, its mostly a massive risk of corruption and the possibility of a daemon eating your soul.

Plus its obviously less risky if you don't care about getting corrupted, such as if you already follow one of the gods. Then you only have to worry about the other 3 gods and their daemons.

As I understand it, survival is possible because daemon worlds still exist in this material plane. The Gellar field protects the ships because they are entirely within the Immaterium, where things like physics don't really exist. But this isn't where daemon worlds actually exist, though. Nothing physical or corporeal exists in the Immaterium, hence the name.

Daemon worlds are found at warp rifts in realspace, usually within the Eye or Maelstrom. These are places where the two realms have merged in a way, but still exists within reality. This has created planets that are entirely corrupted, at the mercy of the Warp, and allow daemons to materialize much easier. But, these planets still exist within our reality.

Because of that, non-daemonic things can survive on daemon worlds. Assuming, of course, you can survive everything else the world throws at you, which... eh, that could be rough.

There was a book about a demon world that in a way similar to the chaos wastes in fantasy, people lived normally and didn't have to worry about demons tearing them apart, to bad the planet turned out to be a eldar weapon that destroyed everything in the end

Thanks for the info, it has been really helpful.

Actually they do use their gellar fields on a low setting. It's ment to keep out the mindless warp rabble.

If you are looking at a Daemonworld that is seated in the swirling madness that is the warp itself then I would imagine that there would have to be some form of Gellar field protecting them, perhaps the master of the planet has cast something like this themselves or it is an actual Gellar field. If it is a Daemon World situated in a Warp Rift, like the Maelstrom or the Eye of Terror, life can be relatively normal as the planet might not be heavily touched by the warp as rifts like this are a mixture of both.

Jehan-reznor mentions Daemon World by Ben Counter, which apart from being one of my favourite 40k books, is a great source of life on a Daemon World in the Maelstrom. You also have the 2nd, I think, Bloodquest comic where they travel to the Eye of Terror and land on the world Eidolon, which is ruled by each of the four chaos powers.

For a good interaction of what happens if you were to enter the warp without a gellar field you can read Battle of the Abyss. Not a great book in itself but it has some interesting parts to it. Also Flight of the Eisenstein.

I think it's a mixed bag really and would depend how deep you are in the warp as to how messed up it would be.

 Pilau Rice wrote:
If you are looking at a Daemonworld that is seated in the swirling madness that is the warp itself then I would imagine that there would have to be some form of Gellar field protecting them, perhaps the master of the planet has cast something like this themselves or it is an actual Gellar field. If it is a Daemon World situated in a Warp Rift, like the Maelstrom or the Eye of Terror, life can be relatively normal as the planet might not be heavily touched by the warp as rifts like this are a mixture of both.

Jehan-reznor mentions Daemon World by Ben Counter, which apart from being one of my favourite 40k books, is a great source of life on a Daemon World in the Maelstrom. You also have the 2nd, I think, Bloodquest comic where they travel to the Eye of Terror and land on the world Eidolon, which is ruled by each of the four chaos powers.

For a good interaction of what happens if you were to enter the warp without a gellar field you can read Battle of the Abyss. Not a great book in itself but it has some interesting parts to it. Also Flight of the Eisenstein.

I think it's a mixed bag really and would depend how deep you are in the warp as to how messed up it would be.

I'd add dead sky black sun to your list. Not a good book but it does take place in a deamon world.

Daemon Princes do indeed keep mortals alive on daemon worlds, in very large numbers. Because:

1. The worship of mortals empowers the Dark Gods.

2. Mortals make excellent slaves and playthings.

3. Since demons can only exist in the materium for short periods, their armies in the materium must be made up largely of mortals soldiers.

As for why Chaos ships need Gellar fields - I'd guess it's because Tzeentch's demons would otherwise be snacking on Khorne's worshippers and vice-versa.

I don't know but I do know some orks with Tuska went into the eye and beat their way through several demon worlds. Then when they were finally defeated tuska grabbed the demon prince in the crotch with his PK as a last act of defiance. Khorne decided the pros were worthy and he brings them all back to life after every battle to keep the war going. So I guess that could be considered survival?

 cranect wrote:
I don't know but I do know some orks with Tuska went into the eye and beat their way through several demon worlds. Then when they were finally defeated tuska grabbed the demon prince in the crotch with his PK as a last act of defiance. Khorne decided the pros were worthy and he brings them all back to life after every battle to keep the war going. So I guess that could be considered survival?

For an Ork, that would be an Orky Valhalla.

And the fluff of Tuska says as much. He and his boys had found paradise.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Hey folks, how do mortals survive being on daemon worlds considering they need to be protected in their vessels by Gellar Fields or get eaten by the warp nasties? Do the daemon princes/lords who rule these worlds offer a sort of protection? If that's the case, why would chaos ships that have daemon princes on board need Gellar Fields?

Deamon worlds are either planetoids possessed by a sufficiently powerful deamon, or they are worlds that have been so exposed to the Warp that they become legitimately halfway into the warp. In both cases this does not automatically spells death for the person on it. The Lion and a crew of Astartes once survived being stuck halfway inside a warp tear with no gellar field on. Everyone got big headaches, emotions flared, heads got punched into decapitation, but besides the invading deamons, no one was outright dying by simple exposure.

Societies can occasionally "function" on a Deamon world, if we accept a certain degree of general sociopathy. The Grey Knights omnibus shows a society on a khornate Deamonworld, where each warlord rules according to their ability to feed the furnace of war of the lording Chaos Astartes.

Indeed. The RPG 'Black Crusade' is an inverted 40k RPG, where the players are heretics living in the Screaming Vortex (a mini Eye of Terror or Maelstrom).

There are a lot of worlds which aren't pleasant - spikes and acid rain and so on - but ultimately, a lot of them aren't much worse than a lot of regions within the Imperium. The Hollows is a Forge World. Yes, daemon engines rather than titans, and yes, slaves rather than servitors, but other than that pretty recognisable. Sacgrave has a market district. Q'Sal is even pleasant to visit (provided you find out in advance what the laws are on any given day).

That's not saying you won't starve, or have your possessions stolen, or die from one of the many, many indigenous dangers on the worlds (furian leviathans make Pacific Rim Kaiju look small, cute and cuddly) but that's more or less true on a lot of Imperial worlds, too.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Hey folks, how do mortals survive being on daemon worlds considering they need to be protected in their vessels by Gellar Fields or get eaten by the warp nasties? Do the daemon princes/lords who rule these worlds offer a sort of protection? If that's the case, why would chaos ships that have daemon princes on board need Gellar Fields?

Mortals can survive on some daemon worlds just like they would on any other planet with an Earthlike atmosphere (I mean humans can breath the air and gak - its definitely not like earth, its a crazy ass daemon world)

You ever read the book Daemon World? This book tells a solid story about how life on a daemon world is. Its proly my favourite WH40K novel. Daemon worlds are definitely fethed up, no doubt, but humans and daemons and aliens and things can still enter the planet, and land on the surface of it, and proceed to walk about, taking deep breaths while praying not be killed by some bizarre ethereal occurrence.

Is it ever made into an audio book ?