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Hey guys, I am trying to piece together my first viable list, and I believe I could be getting close, this list is a bit heavy with melta and not so much able to deal with hoards but I don't know

Daemon Prince (Wings, PA, MoS) 215 pts

CSM unit 1 (x10 2 Metla guns w/Rhino Havoc + Dozer) 212 pts

CSM unit 2 (x10 2 Plasma guns w/Rhino Havoc + Dozer) 222 pts

Chosen (x5 5 Melta guns MoN w/Rhino Havoc + Dozer) 207 pts

Obliterators (x3) 210 pts

Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon sponsons, Havoc) 127 pts

Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon sponsons, Havoc) 127 pts

Biker unit 1 (x3 2 Melta guns) 90 pts

Biker unit 2 (x3 Melta guns) 90 pts

Hopefully this will be a fun list to play and I might even win given my opponent uses multiple armored units, I could always try to add more Plasma instead of Meltas, but that might not even help, Gets Hot could be a problem

Any suggestions?

Edited the point value of chosen to the correct amount

It looks like a good TAC list.

Might wanna change the DP of MoS to Nurgle and get a black mace by dropping havoc missile launchers.


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Points on chosen are wrong. Chosen clock in at 90pts b4 upgrades.

I thought about removing an oblit and giving my DP MoN and the BM (in addition to adding more MoN to other choices such as the remaining oblits) however I was concerned that this would be putting too many points in a single Ind Character, as well as only giving the DP shrouded and Slow & Purposeful, would MoK not be better for this?

If you want a good solid and kinda cheep Melta toting unit replace your chosen with a Havoc squad. They can still take 4 melta's and roll in that rino, but now they have like 3ish more guys to soak up wounds. I like running the oblits in squads of 2 because the unit has to select the gun they fire all at once and you can alternate 2 units using the plasma cannons and assault cannon to cut down most hordes. Im also not a fan of havoc launchers on Rinos, most games your rinos will pop smoke turn 1 or 2 and go flat out more then they have the chance to use the launcher, id say scrap them and use the points on MoN and Black mace your Demon prince

I thought I had already maxed out the amount of Heavy Support choices I could take with the Oblits and two Preds, that's why I went with the chosen, can I take more than 3 HS nowadays?

Mark of nurgle on Oblits for sure....and would put them on the bikers as well as a min...

Concur on the chosen to Havocs- also no need for MoN on them. They are a one shot nuke weapon and expend lol.

Also would take havoc off the predators......as your current loadout makes no sense....either all lasers or none IMO.

Would make one all lasers and 1 standard load out- auto/bolters w/havoc as anti personnel if you want a mix.

If you want straight CAD----drop a predator and add a Helldrake...helldrakes kill 3+ armor pretty much auto...is very nice to melt marines after you blast them out of the metal boxes.

Also would prolly plasma the normal squads over melta....you have a lot of melta tween the bikers/havocs....don't forget you can toss a comi-melta/plasma on the champions.

I went with the autocannon/lascannon load out for my predators to decrease the negative impact of losing one, I figured having one anti tank one anti personnel could cripple either effort if that tank was removed. I had also been told that havocs are useless unless you give them all autocannons, which I could, most of my guys are magnetized bUT again I am definitely no expert when it comes to CSM lists. Are helldrakes really that OP? Do they help compliment any list?

Using just 1 heldrake and your marine opponents will bemoan you are a waac player because they are little cry babies of GW.

Autocannon Havocs are ok in a meta with some flyers. If there are no flyers in your meta then just keep your preds.

Thanks for assuming all Marine players are WAAC Flich. Appreciate it.

Do you play skyhammer or gladius?

and you misread what i wrote hater. If you read carefully, what I mean to say is that the Space Marine Players will call sturgeondtd a waac play for simply having a heldrake in his list.

Haha well if I don't need to buy one, I probably won't go for it. Using CSM alone I don't intend on winning any tournaments, but it's always fun to have a list that will make for fun games against tournament lists in my meta. Was also thinking about taking off chosen and running 2x20 cultists for fun, but they will most certainly not last past 2nd round

Havocs work well basically in place of like a Space marine veteran/stern guard squad.

Since you can grab 4 special weapons+ put a combi-wpn on the champion give you a unit of 5 guys all with special weapons...insert into a rhino and drive forward getting out to nuke face w/melta/plasma....without that chosen point tax.

Would recommend dropping a predator for them easy.

Also grab a helldrake- Ive found 1 in a list is always good to have......2 can be overkill....but as long as its alive 1 helldrake can pretty much remove an enemy infantry squad per turn with the baleflamer.

Nice list, i love csm lists with tons of marines! I just hate the bikes, even if people love them i generally leave them for something better... i would like to suggest you my list, it' s a fluffy list but it' s really strong, especially if you play with objectives

-Khorne lord on juggernaut with axe of blind fury and sigil of corruption
-3 chaos Spawn with mark of khorne
-2x 10 man squad with 2 plasmaguns, champion with power sword, they are in a rhino
-10 man chosen squad with 4 plasmaguns, i put them on the land raider, cause i like land raiders and i want them to be mobile
-3 nurgle obliterators
-Vindicator
-Land raider

You will have some points remaining, and i know you didn' t want to play too much plasma, but you will be so damn happy when people will not even try to contest objectives cuz of your 30 csm with 8 plasma, plus everithing else (while the khorne lord smash everything your opponents love)

Aren't vindicators less useful than Preds due to them not being able to swivel, allowing your opponent to run around them and hit them in their side or rear armor? I could remove the bikes and get a helturky to harass my opponent

any thing can charge a non walker vehicle and hit the rear armor regardless of facing.

sturgeondtd wrote:
Aren't vindicators less useful than Preds due to them not being able to swivel, allowing your opponent to run around them and hit them in their side or rear armor? I could remove the bikes and get a helturky to harass my opponent

Of course, as i said it's a fluff list, but i love vindicators cause they are a good distraction carnifex, and if your opponents can' t destroy the vindicator (cause covers or cause it is too for from assaults squads) he will get a large S10 VP1 large pizza every turn

I think I might invest in a heldrake and vindi then, it could be a lot of fun, plus I've always wanted to use a pie plate!

On a side note, do knights or warhounds work well in a CSM list? I have an old AC Warhounds I've been wanting to use, and a chaos knight from FW looks too good to pass up, although I think in getting one with the above mentioned items, I might reach my free spending limits haha

Honestly there is no reason to not take this entire list out of crimson slaughter.

Benefits

FEAR! You have the reputation of being siege masters

Artifact that gives access to divination! Rerolls for a havoc squad!

10 point chosen upgrade! Gives Preferred enemy. Perfect for that squad with 5 plasma guns!

Cybernetic Enhancement FNP: MoS with Icon of excess. If you want Fluffy rules rather than WAAC accusations.


modeling tips:

For your Daemon Princes you can grab a 30k or 40k robot.

The Myrmidons are perfect for conversion into oblits.

If you are running an Icon of excess just use an apothecary model.