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Hello all. Looking for some suggestions on a list I will me running this weekend, Running the new space wolves and want some suggestions. Now I know most of the formations are much better then what I will probably be running right now, however until I get all my drop pods done for my Blackmane formation im stuck with what I have.

What i will be facing: Most likely It will be something similar to 2 Imperial Knights, a ravenwing bike squad and a librarius conclave, Dark should and all those shenanigans. So, I wanted to go Melee heavy, which is something i tend to prefer anyway ( chaos player at heart). Other players i commonly play with run Eldar, with at least one Wraith knight, bikes, ext. And Tau suit armies big and small. They have murdered my chaos armies..

So working with that I have so far I put together a list that I hope will do ok but need some suggestions on loadouts and such.

HQ:
Wolf priest: 130PTS
- Bike

Troops:
Grayhunters: 80 pts
-Melta gun
Grayhunters: 80 pts
-Melta gun

Elites:

Thunderwolf cavalry: 480pts
- +3 Thunderwolf cavalry
- x 5 Storm Shields
- x 5 powerfists
- x 2 Wolf Claws

WUlfen Murder Pack:

Wulfen: 250pts
- X 4 Thunderhammer stormshield
- Pack leader
Wulfen: 250pts
- X 4 Thunderhammer stormshield
- Pack leader

Librarius conclave (space marines)

Librarian: 90 pts
- Mastery 2
Librarian: 90 pts
- Mastery 2
Librarian: 90 pts
- Mastery 2

I have 10 PTS to play with.

Basic Idea is stick the Wolf Priest in with TWC for FNP. Librarians in with Wulfen and try to get Invisibility if i can. Another option would be try to get Gate. Gray Hunters there basically to be a "legal" list. I would love to get some suggestions for tactics or even some options for loadouts. I mean the basic premise is super simple, hit it till it dies. *shrugs* I know SUPER simple.

Hi first things Thunderwolves arnt elites there a fast attack choice
If you want to go close combat heavy I'd suggest taking the champions of the great wolf detachment from champions of fenris it requires 1 HQ and 2 elites instead of troops and gives thunder wolves and wolf guard +1ws I play an 1850 list with a small thunder star, 6twf wolf guard battle leader on wolf and librarius conclave on bikes for invis and endurance etc with 3 squads of 5 combi melta wolf guard in drop pod to ruin any knights or high armour targets and counting as my elite choices but you could use your wulfen packs for this ? if you don't have any wolf guard just proxy grey hunters for them there basically the exact same model.

I don't quite understand how you typed the list out, particularly the TWC. 3 TWC but I count 7 weapons...

I think the Wulfen do very very well with the frost Claws, allows them to attack higher initiative too. 1 or 2 SS/TH in there but that's about it I would say.

I'm still figuring out the best delivery method as currently footslogging them costs me at least half my squad. That all said, I still don't think the SS/TH is the right way but I'm probably wrong.

With this list, you're entirely on foot, your anti armour is your TWC and grey hunters, who will be very slow to walk over...

I'd also argue against the conclave. Look in to the RP equivalent, its cheaper..

I can't help but disagree with the rune priest conclave as they can't use the telekinesis powers so won't be able to provide invisability

The thunder wolf unit has 6 guys he put +3 thunderwolfs so I'm guessing that means +3 to the original 3 ? Given he's only got 5 storm shields I'm guessing he's planning on giving one guy duel wolf claws ? Can't say I think that's a good idea it might be best to give two individual guys 1 claw 1 shield each ?

Candle_man
Post 2016/02/27 18:03:59 Subject: [1550] - Space wolves - Halp!
Hi first things Thunderwolves arnt elites there a fast attack choice
If you want to go close combat heavy I'd suggest taking the champions of the great wolf detachment from champions of fenris it requires 1 HQ and 2 elites instead of troops and gives thunder wolves and wolf guard +1ws I play an 1850 list with a small thunder star, 6twf wolf guard battle leader on wolf and librarius conclave on bikes for invis and endurance etc with 3 squads of 5 combi melta wolf guard in drop pod to ruin any knights or high armour targets and counting as my elite choices but you could use your wulfen packs for this ? if you don't have any wolf guard just proxy grey hunters for them there basically the exact same model.

-You are totally right, they are fast attack not elites, list went there were few incarnations, i must have not changed that part and Had wolfen there first i think.
-When i posted this i didn't have the book that had the Champions of Fenris book, but yes a good choice for sure now that i have looked at it. I would question is the +1 WS is worth it or not to use this formation as opposed to A normal cad, and taking the TWC star so that I can also take the Wolfen Murder pack formation and bring those buffs to my TWC? I might be wring, im asking cus Im fairly new. Also i am probably just dense and not seeing it, but Im not sure how i run a star of Wolfguard battle leader when he is a HQ choice, unless im running a few of them? If so arnt i getting traditional TWC for cheaper per model for basicly the same damage output? (again asking cus Thats was how I was rationalizing it numbers wise, but again im new!)
-At 1850 I was probably looking at running the Blackmane formation with the wolf star, just waiting for all my drop pods to come in and get them assembled (SO MANY!)

raekone
Post 2016/02/28 02:49:32 Subject: [1550] - Space wolves - Halp!
I don't quite understand how you typed the list out, particularly the TWC. 3 TWC but I count 7 weapons...

I think the Wulfen do very very well with the frost Claws, allows them to attack higher initiative too. 1 or 2 SS/TH in there but that's about it I would say.

I'm still figuring out the best delivery method as currently footslogging them costs me at least half my squad. That all said, I still don't think the SS/TH is the right way but I'm probably wrong.

With this list, you're entirely on foot, your anti armour is your TWC and grey hunters, who will be very slow to walk over...

I'd also argue against the conclave. Look in to the RP equivalent, its cheaper..

-The TWC are 6 total, so 5 SS and powerfists, and pack leader with x2 wolf claws. (i think my math is good on this, maybe i screwed something up if i did by all means let me know. But i may have just not been clear)
-I leaned away from frost claws, if I don't go TH/SS with them then I would tend towards the axes, cus they are guna murder almost anything they get the charge off on with the exception of knights, and even then they have a chance. But without the SS's i worry about them dying in shooting as they come in. I considered mixing units, and going to a leader with claws, 2 axes and 2 SS/TH's but wasn't sure if that was worth it.
- I have only played 1 game with them so far, but I got lucky and rolled gate on Demo on my librarians that i put with them and they just jumped across the board. They killed a IK, a couple of them survived the D and stomp and the explosion even, so SUPER worth! But i don't know that that will be the norm.
-I took the conclave so I could take Telepathy if i wanted, and if you take a psychic hood, then they are actually cheaper then WP equivalent, I don't know if its really worth it, but for Telepathy the extra 5 pts (i think) per model was almost worth it. I didnt get Invis this game unfortunately but only rolled it on one of them this time to try other things.

Candle_man
Post 2016/02/28 07:56:54 Subject: [1550] - Space wolves - Halp!
I can't help but disagree with the rune priest conclave as they can't use the telekinesis powers so won't be able to provide invisibility

The thunder wolf unit has 6 guys he put +3 thunderwolfs so I'm guessing that means +3 to the original 3 ? Given he's only got 5 storm shields I'm guessing he's planning on giving one guy duel wolf claws ? Can't say I think that's a good idea it might be best to give two individual guys 1 claw 1 shield each ?

- i thought about taking 1 SS and 1 claw on more then one model, but decided against it, so i could just bubble the Pack leader( he has the claws) with the other Shields. I tend to accept challenged alot by some of the people i play with so i thought two claws might deal with that better for an extras attack. If im wrong there again im more then open for advice!


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Also, I am running them with a very Chaos theme. Space Wolves Fallen to Khorne. I love conversions and themed armies, So I want to keep an "aggressive" feel to things. But i am not opposed to suggestions for builds and such, cus i also like to win games, or i would be playing CSM lol

Sorry I think you miss understood I don't run a wolf guard star I run a small thunder wolf cavalry star with wolf guard in drop pods to back them up, because the wolf guard come in the drop pods turn one my opponent has to deal with them first and ignore the wolf star or ignore the wolf guard and try to deal with the wolf star meaning I'm giving him more to think about.

You wouldn't make a battle leader star why I do is take a battle leader as my HQ and put him with my thunderwolf cavalry so he's part of the unit, you can give him runic armour for a 2+ save and have him tank any ap3 wounds and look out sure any ap2 shots.

I used to use a normal cad but always use the champions of fenris now because I feel the +1 Ws is a good bonus, if you don't want to take any wolf guard your wulfen will always count towards your elite slot requirement.

Your leader with duel claws might actually be a good call especially if you take the champions of fenris cad because you have to issue or accept challenges when possible I'm tempted to give it a try on my lord now and just bubble him with ss twc as you say.

Awesome, thanks for the advice! Im trying out a few new list builds over the next few weeks, I don't want to get To cheese with it, but want to actually stay in games and not get murdered. So far the only things im seeing that i will really have a major issue with is dealing with flyers, or hordes.