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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/27 15:40:03
Subject: Kataphron breacher heavy battle servitor special rule
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Been Around the Block
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Under the "heavy battle servitor" special rule it states that the unit can fire two weapons in the shooting phase, and I was wondering if that means it has to be two SEPARATE weapons, or if you can choose to fire a single weapon 2 times. I'm wondering because the kataphron breacher only has 1 ranged weapon on it at any time, and it'd be a little bit of a bummer if the rule wouldn't let it fire it's one weapon twice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/27 15:53:03
Subject: Kataphron breacher heavy battle servitor special rule
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Assault Kommando
Flint, Mi
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I am inclined to believe it fires only once, otherwise it would state it can fire twice.
It is the same rule for the destroyers who do have 2 weapons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/27 21:59:21
Subject: Kataphron breacher heavy battle servitor special rule
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
Ankh Morpork
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From the 'Select a Weapon' portion of the Shooting phase rules:
"First, select a weapon that one or more models in your unit are equipped with. The selected weapon cannot be one that the unit has shot with during this phase."
The Heavy Battle Servitor rule modifies how many weapons the model may fire but makes no reference that could change the restriction against firing a weapon the unit has shot with that phase.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/27 23:03:09
Subject: Kataphron breacher heavy battle servitor special rule
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
california
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Mr. Shine wrote:From the 'Select a Weapon' portion of the Shooting phase rules:
"First, select a weapon that one or more models in your unit are equipped with. The selected weapon cannot be one that the unit has shot with during this phase."
The Heavy Battle Servitor rule modifies how many weapons the model may fire but makes no reference that could change the restriction against firing a weapon the unit has shot with that phase.
It also doesn't say that it doesn't change it. Since this is a separate special rule from the shooting phase, and this is a permissive rule set, and there is no regard of not selecting the same weapon twice in the mechanicus codex nor stating anything about this special rule in the brb, raw it can fire the same weapon twice
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/27 23:19:19
Subject: Re:Kataphron breacher heavy battle servitor special rule
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Executing Exarch
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It wouldn't be the first time a unit is given a rule it can't use simply because other units with similar fluff have the rule (example, Craftworld Eldar Windriders and the Battle Focus rule).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/27 23:20:36
Subject: Kataphron breacher heavy battle servitor special rule
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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It says two weapons, not one weapon twice.
They have two weapons.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/02/27 23:21:43
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/27 23:25:12
Subject: Kataphron breacher heavy battle servitor special rule
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Lieutenant General
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Rules are permissive. They tell us what we can do, and only tell us what we can't do if its rescinding an earlier permission. Otherwise we would need a rule that says I can't put my dead models back on the table. After all, the rules don't say that I can't...
If the rules don't say that it changes it, then it doesn't change it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/02/27 23:59:07
Subject: Kataphron breacher heavy battle servitor special rule
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
Ankh Morpork
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Pain4Pleasure wrote:It also doesn't say that it doesn't change it. Since this is a separate special rule from the shooting phase, and this is a permissive rule set, and there is no regard of not selecting the same weapon twice in the mechanicus codex nor stating anything about this special rule in the brb, raw it can fire the same weapon twice
That's not how basic versus advanced and codex vs rulebook works. For them to override there must be a conflict. The conflict exists with the number of weapons the model may fire, but again, nothing to conflict with only being able to fire one a weapon group once per unit per Shooting phase. As has been said, one weapon twice is not two weapons.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/02/28 00:00:44
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/01 18:53:12
Subject: Kataphron breacher heavy battle servitor special rule
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Assault Kommando
Flint, Mi
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Lets also not forget that firing two weapons is not the only point of this rule, and it does still give additional benefits to the breacher that whey would normally not have. Such as quasi-relentless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/01 19:28:41
Subject: Kataphron breacher heavy battle servitor special rule
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
Phoenix, AZ, USA
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It's neither an oversight nor a mistake, GW routinely grant rules to units that are unusable or redundant. Tau has a model with two weapons and the ability to shoot 3 of those 2 weapons every turn, it can still only shoot the two. Yay, GW!
SJ
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