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hello from my recent tournament experience where i tried korne murder horde and faced 3 marines in a row with lot of light/medium fire which cripple a bit my poor hounds, i m thinking if Tz flying circus is still viable, maybe just using no screamers but only FMC kairos, LOC, Be'lakor and DP, just thinking about maelstrom could be bit tricky.

There is a new DP formation in the chaos update. Basically flying circus.

yes i saw that ,need to find a way to fit at 1500pt. the most common format where i play.

Flying circus doesn't work at 1500. You get too few FMCs with only 1500 pts

i played in past 8 tournaments in a row with a 1500pts flying circus, you have anyway 4 FMC at 1850 you get usually 5 like for example Alan Barajmovic list, so it works i was just asking right now after all recent releases.

This past weekend at a team tourney I took Fateweaver who is now even better than ever thanks to knowing all change powers, throwing SD shots at things is marvelous, with the ability to reroll the dice for the damage chart

In 1500 I think you could viably do 3-4 FMC with some pink horrors for WC and be pretty decent. I dont know if I would let Bel'akor make that cut but I could see Fateweaver with a GUO and at least 2 nurgle DP with wings along with your horrors making quite an impact on the table.

i have this
kairos
loc 2 greater reward 3++ robe 3°lev
11 orrors
3 nurglins
DP Tz 1 greater reward 1 exalted rew3°lev wings armor

Be'lakor
10 cultist
4 FMC 15 WC
why you suggest GUO and Nurgle DP over LOC and Tz DP? an alternative could be infernal tetrad and a CAD with TZ herald and 2x11 orrors 19WC and 4 strong FMC

GUO unlocks nurgle DPs that have a +2 jink save in the air. Flay around, call eternal jinking all day, and sling them spells

 Solosam47 wrote:
GUO unlocks nurgle DPs that have a +2 jink save in the air. Flay around, call eternal jinking all day, and sling them spells

You don't need to be flying to jink, FMCs can jink while on the ground. Also there aren't any spells worth just flying around and casting if you're going to be jinking since you'll have to snap fire (except for summoning but its way better to summon with heralds on discs)

yes that is ok but i feel LOC is better than GUO and anyway tau dont care of your jink, but of course you are right beside tau is not easy handle that 2+, then maybe i need icon to drop GUO or rely on cursed hearts.


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 CrownAxe wrote:

 Solosam47 wrote:
GUO unlocks nurgle DPs that have a +2 jink save in the air. Flay around, call eternal jinking all day, and sling them spells

You don't need to be flying to jink, FMCs can jink while on the ground. Also there aren't any spells worth just flying around and casting if you're going to be jinking since you'll have to snap fire (except for summoning but its way better to summon with heralds on discs)

probably he wanted say N DP can just move 12" and jink at 2+ , i roll on biomancy with Dp's usually (sometime telepathy) so i send it in melee, and start on ground and still save at 2+ is fine (beside Tau)

Belakor makes all your FMCs have a 2+ Jink (by casting Shrouding), even Kairos and the LoC, so you're good without the Nurgle Princes (although Baleswords are pretty nice).

I like the Tetrad + Tz Helard + 2x 11 Horrors plan.

yes probably next formation i will test will be infernal tetrad after murder horde at tournament yesterday, i m curious to see how it works
the only problem with belakor and shrouding is you must stay no more than 6" from him

 blackmage wrote:
yes that is ok but i feel LOC is better than GUO and anyway tau dont care of your jink, but of course you are right beside tau is not easy handle that 2+, then maybe i need icon to drop GUO or rely on cursed hearts.


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 CrownAxe wrote:

 Solosam47 wrote:
GUO unlocks nurgle DPs that have a +2 jink save in the air. Flay around, call eternal jinking all day, and sling them spells

You don't need to be flying to jink, FMCs can jink while on the ground. Also there aren't any spells worth just flying around and casting if you're going to be jinking since you'll have to snap fire (except for summoning but its way better to summon with heralds on discs)

probably he wanted say N DP can just move 12" and jink at 2+ , i roll on biomancy with Dp's usually (sometime telepathy) so i send it in melee, and start on ground and still save at 2+ is fine (beside Tau)

Good point on the jink Crownaxe, I had forgotten about that. As for powers idk I havent looked to deep into the new nurgle but I hear good things.

yes, very viable

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Solosam47 wrote:
GUO unlocks nurgle DPs that have a +2 jink save in the air. Flay around, call eternal jinking all day, and sling them spells

You don't need to be flying to jink, FMCs can jink while on the ground. Also there aren't any spells worth just flying around and casting if you're going to be jinking since you'll have to snap fire (except for summoning but its way better to summon with heralds on discs)

Nurgle power has alot of novas and templates, which are actually really good when you fly close to something

 PondWater wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Solosam47 wrote:
GUO unlocks nurgle DPs that have a +2 jink save in the air. Flay around, call eternal jinking all day, and sling them spells

You don't need to be flying to jink, FMCs can jink while on the ground. Also there aren't any spells worth just flying around and casting if you're going to be jinking since you'll have to snap fire (except for summoning but its way better to summon with heralds on discs)

Nurgle power has alot of novas and templates, which are actually really good when you fly close to something

You can't use them while jinking

You could try something like this but it probably isn't great since there is only 5 models.

Total - 1495

Daemon Lord
Belakor - 350

Dark Tetrad
Daemon Prince of Slaanesh - 300 (x2 Greater, Soulstealer, wings, armour, psyker 1)
Daemon Prince of Khorne – 265 (Armour of Scorn, x1 Greater, x1 exalted, wings)
Daemon Prince of Nurgle – 285 (x2 Greater, wings, armour, psyker 1)
Daemon Prince of Tzeentch – 295 (x2 Greater, wings, armour, Psyker 1)

 Rydria wrote:
You could try something like this but it probably isn't great since there is only 5 models.

Total - 1495

Daemon Lord
Belakor - 350

Dark Tetrad
Daemon Prince of Slaanesh - 300 (x2 Greater, Soulstealer, wings, armour, psyker 1)
Daemon Prince of Khorne – 265 (Armour of Scorn, x1 Greater, x1 exalted, wings)
Daemon Prince of Nurgle – 285 (x2 Greater, wings, armour, psyker 1)
Daemon Prince of Tzeentch – 295 (x2 Greater, wings, armour, Psyker 1)

It's also unbound -- preventing it from being used in some formats.

 Rydria wrote:
You could try something like this but it probably isn't great since there is only 5 models.

Total - 1495

Daemon Lord
Belakor - 350

Dark Tetrad
Daemon Prince of Slaanesh - 300 (x2 Greater, Soulstealer, wings, armour, psyker 1)
Daemon Prince of Khorne – 265 (Armour of Scorn, x1 Greater, x1 exalted, wings)
Daemon Prince of Nurgle – 285 (x2 Greater, wings, armour, psyker 1)
Daemon Prince of Tzeentch – 295 (x2 Greater, wings, armour, Psyker 1)

pity it is unbound

How is it unbound? It's a formation and a Dataslate.

You don't have to have a CAD or anything. The Dark Tetrad becomes your primary and you can add a Dataslate, similar to how most armies add a Cuxelus assassin.

Is there a rule on Dataslate that I don't know about?

Belakor takes a daemon lord spot in an incursion detachment. He can't be fielded alone alongside a detachment. He doesn't belong to a detachment in that list and thus the list is unbound.

Saythings wrote:

Is there a rule on Dataslate that I don't know about?

Even before Belakor was "officially" put in the CotW Supplement, his Dataslate specifically stated that he was an HQ for Daemons or CSM. Meaning that unlike an Assassin, he had to be fielded within a detachment. Fielding him by himself was unbound then and is definitely unbound now.

Side question: Now that Belakor has written rules in an actual book, is his dataslate no longer necessary? If so, does that mean he can no longer be taken as a CSM HQ, thus no more "cultist-tax" allowing Daemons to field 3 HQs.

I think the confusion here is that belakor can be taken as a demon lord in the daemon decurian. Date slates from decurian style detachments cannot be used outside that detachment.