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How would the saves work if I put the impossible robes on a herald of tzeentch and then place him on a burning chariot? Could I take shots against the chariot AV and still claim the 3++ against any armour pens that result from the shooting?

Is there any precedent for this rules interaction that might tell me how it works?

Also, I understand that this might be TFG flavored behaviour, I'm simply interested in how it works and if I have the option to do so or if I should just stick him on a disc.

It ultimately depends on the wording. However, the closest example I can think of is the Necron chariot, where GW said the invuln did not carry over. Or maybe they said it did. I forget which to be honest.

 Happyjew wrote:
It ultimately depends on the wording. However, the closest example I can think of is the Necron chariot, where GW said the invuln did not carry over. Or maybe they said it did. I forget which to be honest.

The Necron Phase Shifter confers a 4+ invulnerable save that applies to the rider only.

The current Necron one is specifically noted as only applying to the Rider.

I don't think the previous one was errata'd or FAQ'd to only affect the Rider, but they didn't take away the Independent Character rule from it, either, like they did with Daemons.

Is this version still a 6th edition version? If so, it was not written to consider the Rider and Chariot as one model, but unless they FAQ'd it or errata'd it otherwise, they are all one model.

So if it gives the model with this 'wargear' that Save, you are officially good in using it to protect hits against the Chariot.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
It ultimately depends on the wording. However, the closest example I can think of is the Necron chariot, where GW said the invuln did not carry over. Or maybe they said it did. I forget which to be honest.

The Necron Phase Shifter confers a 4+ invulnerable save that applies to the rider only.

IIRC there was a big thing about it before the 7th ed codex came out.

Ah, I'll have to wait til I'm off work to get the precise wording. From memory I believe it says "the bearer of the impossible robes has a 3++"

Nope. States it confers a save, and talks about the "wearer" in regards to the ld test.

I'm gonna go with yes it confers to the whole model since that is how the last edition Necron Command Barge worked. The update had to specify "the Rider only", which the Robes do not do.

Considering the Command barge was AV13 and the rider was T5 with a 2+ save, this was broken enough to be changed. However, we are taking about a T3 rider with a 5++ on an AV10 chariot. The Robes are the only thing making that combo even playable, but the disc is still the better option.

The really interesting issue comes from if the chariot takes a Hull point. Since this isn't a "wound" the rider needs not to take an LD test.

Hmm, that is interesting. I'm curious as to how the disc is a better combo then, if he can be functionally T6 with a 2++ rerollable on a chariot, and spread his Locus out more due to the base size. I get that he can turbo boost further but other than that it looks like 20 extra points for 2 points of functional Toughness vs shooting.

My group feels the same way you do, since it's clearly restricted in the case of the necron phase shifter and not restricted for the impossible robes, so that's how I'll be playing it I guess. If its too broken, I'll just stop using the model that way.

The reason the Disc is considered better than the chariot is because he can join units. "Functional T6" is nice, but 11+ meatshields before you have to take a save is better. A disc is also MUCH easier to hide if you need him to split from the unit, meaning again, no saves need to be taken in the first place.

The Disc is always a good choice, but the chariot NEEDS the Robes to live, thus being 55pts more than a Disc. You also may want Paradox on your Herald and you can't have both on the same model.

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Might as well throw in Blue Horror Crew for an additional -1 Ld for use with your Tallyband Herald's Bell.