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so I'm playing around with these new Nurgle decurion ideas and would love to bounce some back and forth.
I don't have the book in front of me but here's what I remember from reading last night and what I was planning.

CORE FORMATION
Tallyhorde:
Epidemius
3 Nurglings
3 Nurglings
3 Nurglings
3 Nurglings
3 Nurglings
3 Nurglings
3 Nurglings

This formation has to have Epidimius or a herald (i want epi anyways in the list) and 7 units of either nurglings or plaguebearers. while plaguebearers are fun, they're twice the price. could maybe swap a few out but nurglings plopping down out of the sky is so fun!
If i recall correctly this formation drops the toughness of any enemy unit locked up with them.

Rotspawn:
Herald - palaquin, level 2 psyker, some of the new wargear and a grimoire, locus of fecundity
beast of nurgle
beast of nurgle
beast of nurgle
beast of nurgle
beast of nurgle
beast of nurgle
9 plague drones

This is where the hammer drops. The herald and his locus effect all units from the formation within 12. 6 solo beasts of nurgle wont always be within range but if i want them to be, i can turtle up and multi assault or stay close in some cases for the FNP. I'd be running both the herald and epi with the plague drone deathstar so they'll also be buffed as the kill count goes up. I'd also be keeping nurglings or plaguebearers near to assault and nerf my opponents toughness.

Further, the units can benefit from TWO loci so the deathstar and beasts will be able to auto wound on 6's to hit (as per epi) as well as have FNP. that's awesome.
PLUS the big buff is that the herald can control the drones and give them an additional 3 attacks PER MODEL. PLUS THEY HAVE HAMMER OF WRATH.
If I'm looking at it correctly that would be 9 hammer of wraths potentially plus 7 attacks per model on the charge. poisoned attacks. auto wounding on 6s to hit. super resilient plus if I can get the nurglings or plaguebearers into the same combat then I may end up rerolling wounds because of the poison rule.

I was already running nurgle lists similar to this and now they got way, way better. I can also take the wargear that drops enemy toughness, play with maledictions from the new nurgle powers to make opponents soft.
I'm very resistent to grav/melta etc. my only real fear is walkers and especially knights.
so to add the list I would probably bring a chaos knight or even better, a kytan. the kytan isn't a daemon of nurgle which sucks for the tally, but he doesn't need the buffs and I'm confident I'll run the tally anyways without his help. while the kytan is more expensive, it also eats other knights for breakfast.

the only thing I'm missing that I'd like to have is fateweaver for his reroll in the grimoire, but his ability to help with warp storm and instability are granted by the formation anyways. and in reality, a 2++ invul save is a pain in the butt; especially when it's being rerolled. i can deal with it. after all, chaos is fickle!

so.. thoughts? i love MSU armies, i love drone or beast stars and I love the idea of a bunch of solo beasts roaming around. the army looks amazing on the table. i've got a ton of awesome conversions and I'm thinking of converting my kytan into a nurgle variant (swapping a glottkin head maybe, turning the axe into a cleaver).

Yes, just yes. Even though I hate mono-god lists and Nurgle most of all, this will be a fun list. Keep in mind that eh new wargear are all Hellforged artifacts and cannot be taken on the same models as Grimoire.

for me Nurgle have only 1 problem..... only drones in your list really output damage the rest....uhmmm.... not a lot and fpr tally that is a problem hard to get high counter, but for sure you very resilient, beside tau it s hard to deal with so much shrouded high T models, but heavy armored veichles can be a real pain, only drones can kill them.Then why spend 2 levels on herald you probably cant use psy powers with only 2+d6 WC?


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probably i will add or a GUO or better a N DP as command to put out more damage and deal with heavy armors, and i will use a normal herald and not Epidemius, last i will use 10 plaguebearers instead 3 nurglins, but that is just my opinion.

hrm.. i didnt realize that i couldnt use hellforged and new stuff on the same model. if that's the case then I'll have to rejig some points and take an additional herald. theres no way i take a kytan or knight without grim.

I disagree on damage output to a certain extent... the beasts put out a ton of damage. i can use them as one big unit if i want to and just charge the same target. ive played many, many games and can attest that when something gets bugged by epi it is insanely difficult to survive or to kill.

the Kytan is nice because it can delete two units a turn. that said, without fateweaver giving him prescience on his gun i have to be a little more careful who i shoot at.

most of the new nurgle powers are super cheap (the ones I'd cast anyways). although, the 6 power... can use warp charge 3 and boost the toughness on my deathstar to 8. lol. that's just silly.

yes the power number 6 is strong, but you have to draw it with only 2 rolls and cast with only 2+d6 WC average will be 5 WC that not grant you will cast a 3 WC power unless you rely on luck , where you put the two heralds, into nurglins/beast or drones?

looking at changing it up after discussing. going to drop the kytan/knight and add fateweaver for prescience/warpcharges/grimoire guarantee.

ill put both heralds and epi into the dronestar. ill use the beasts to distract and tie things up that i dont want to deal with or hold units together that i want to come fight.

you will still have heavy troubles with IK beside drones you cant touch them, that could be a real problem, many armies play IK right now.Idk maybe a DP at least can roll iron arm on biomancy or armor bane on rewards, or Be'lakor who already have it built in.

I've soloed be'lakor against knights before and it's not worth it. he's too expensive and dies too easy if he doesn't one-shot it.
I don't want a list relying on powers; even if a prince rolls iron arm he still probably won't kill it all at once.

Those drones should be able to mash the knight but really, unless it rolls well with the D i should be ok. it's typically going to miss a couple of attacks and my grimoire should block most of whatever else comes back.

The stomp will barely hurt at all unless he rolls the 6. I'm not going to worry too much about a dice roll that likely won't happen. I don't see a lot of ad-lance or multiple knight armies; even at tournaments i rarely see them. the rest of my army is strong enough to wreck most vehicles on rear armour once epidemius gets going. if I'm worried about a knight crushing the unit, I'll break epi off. I can also tie up a knight with the beasts and avoid it. they're big enough to keep in his way.

probably you know better than me Nurgle but i still feel uncomfortable rely on just 1 unit to hurt heavy armors, the only time i played a Nurgle army i put in a D thirster he solve all problems with heavt veichles and usually kills IK on sight.

You'll want the Grimoire for sure, but since a model can't take the Grimoire and also any of the new Helforged Artefacts, I'd consider dropping out Epidemus for a Herald with the Doomsday Bell. The -1 Ld will be important since enemies are reduced in Strength/Toughness if they fail a leadership check against your *Nurglings*

*Edit: Oops it's the Tallyband that does the strength/toughness reduction thing. Still would be nice to have that -Ld across the board.

The drones would not gain the bonus of both loci. The double locus thing only works if the lesser locus comes from the same formation as the drones. Then the drones would benefit from the greater locus as usual and the lesser locus per the formation special rules. If you do it the other way around the greater locus just overrides the lesser.

not really
"Harbinger of Khorne:If the Herald of Khorne from this Formation is a Lesser Locus of Abjuration, Greater Locus of Fury or an Exalted Locus of Wrath, the special rules associated with that locus affect all units from this Formation within 12" of him. If such a unit is also affected by another locus, they will receive both benefits"
it applies to any herald so if drones have two locus they benefit both.

 blackmage wrote:
not really
"Harbinger of Khorne:If the Herald of Khorne from this Formation is a Lesser Locus of Abjuration, Greater Locus of Fury or an Exalted Locus of Wrath, the special rules associated with that locus affect all units from this Formation within 12" of him. If such a unit is also affected by another locus, they will receive both benefits"
it applies to any herald so if drones have two locus they benefit both.

Suppose the Rotswarm Herald has Greater Locus of Fecundity and joins the drones. Now suppose another Herald with Lesser Locus of Virulence also joins them. How are the drones being affected by the Lesser Locus? What allows the Lesser Locus to ignore the rule that says only the strongest Locus takes effect?

read the rules of new formations it is clearly written...

Yeah, that's the whole point of the rule. It lets you have multiple loci effects on a unit.

Only one herald is allowed to come from the formation, so clearly it has to allow a herald from another detachment's Locus to also affect the unit.

of course if you play tallyband and rotswarm each herald take a different locus so you cna stack both effects, nice to have plague drones with FNP and every 6 they roll wound on 2, then the special rules which can give them 3 more attacks each model make them deadly. 7 drones+champion could slam 49 poisoned attack plus 8 AP2 attacks and each 6 is almost an auto wound, you can take out veichles monstrous creatures and large packs of infantry.

"If a unit contains two or more loci, only the strongest takes effect - the rules for the others are ignored whilst there is a stronger loci in the unit."

Scenario 1
Rotswarm Herald with Greater Locus
Other Herald with Exalted Locus
Both join Rotswarm Plague Drones.
According to the above rule the Exalted Locus takes effect. But Rotswarm Harbinger of Nurgle lets the Greater Locus take effect too.

Scenario 2
Rotswarm Herald with Greater Locus
Other Herald with Lesser Locus
Both join Rotswarm Plague Drones.
According to the above rule the Greater Locus takes effect. The Lesser Locus does not have the Rotswarm Harbinger of Nurgle rule so it does not take effect.

"If a unit contains two or more loci, only the strongest takes effect - the rules for the others are ignored whilst there is a stronger loci in the unit."
God but is so difficult read the new rules in curse of the wulfen book....the new rules state" special rules associated with that locus affect all units from this Formation within 12" of him. If such a unit is also affected by another locus, they will receive both benefits....." is that so hard to understand. did you ever read curse of the wulfen demons incursion formations? seems like you didn't

 blackmage wrote:
"If a unit contains two or more loci, only the strongest takes effect - the rules for the others are ignored whilst there is a stronger loci in the unit."
God but is so difficult read the new rules in curse of the wulfen book....the new rules state" special rules associated with that locus affect all units from this Formation within 12" of him. If such a unit is also affected by another locus, they will receive both benefits....." is that so hard to understand. did you ever read curse of the wulfen demons incursion formations? seems like you didn't

The Lesser Locus doesn't have Harbinger so doesn't take effect. Is that so hard to understand?

lol ok play as you want if i have loci from two formations with harbingrer they have, if not is a no sense write that line

Harbinger of Khorne:If the Herald of Khorne from this Formation is a LESSER Locus of Abjuration, Greater Locus of Fury or an Exalted Locus of Wrath, the special rules associated with that locus affect all units from this Formation within 12" of him. If such a unit is also affected by another locus, they will receive both benefits
it says another locus where did you read a lesser locus not work