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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/03 13:32:39
Subject: How do Marines feel about Living Saints?
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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Marines don't believe the Emperor is a God as we all know, and the Sisters of Battle and Ecclesiarchy do. How would the Space Marines react and/or feel about Living Saints, which are evidence of a non-psychic (sort of) form of power?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/03 13:38:19
Subject: How do Marines feel about Living Saints?
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Some Marines do, so sweeping generalisations aren't helpful
I expect Marines just assume that living saints are a form of witch that happens to believe in the Emperor through sheer happenstance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/03 14:15:27
Subject: How do Marines feel about Living Saints?
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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The Emperor might not be worshiped as a god by Space Marines, but they are not going to deny that he is a being of immense power.
Just like their Brother-Librarians can do “miraculous" things, so can the Emperor. Just on a grand scale.
IMHO, etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/03 14:26:03
Subject: How do Marines feel about Living Saints?
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Depends on the Chapter probably. Devout Chapters like the Black Templars and Fire Angels probably believe same as any other devout Imperial.
Other Chapters acknowledge the Emperor as an immensely powerful psyker, so might rationalize it merely as him lending his power somehow to a latent pysker. Others might instead view the Living Saints as dangerous witches. Others might simply not care about the Saints.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/03 16:26:27
Subject: Re:How do Marines feel about Living Saints?
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The manifestation of a living saint is so rare in the fluff that I suspect you could account for every time a space marine company witnessed the event and their reactions to it on an individual basis.
Perhaps a librarian would see it as a latent psyker burning herself out at the moment her powers awaken (a sign of troubling degradation within the ecclesiarchy they wouldn't dare speak aloud), or even evidence of humanity's slow awakening as a race of psykers.
Naturally, the further you get away from actually witnessing of the event the more skeptical they would be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/03 16:57:42
Subject: How do Marines feel about Living Saints?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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A list of some Marine Chapters that venerate the Emperor as a god:
The Fire Hawks are one, prior to becoming the LotD, having been one of the first to the fight during the Age of Apostasy, in support of Sebastian Thor (and did, in fact, get awarded a Heresy-era Battle Barge by him, iirc, as Vandire had destroyed their homeworld). (IA v9, C:UM 2E, WH40K Comp, WD 99, C:Assassins 3E)
The Adulators were mentioned in a Chapter Approved article, of which it is said (according to Lexicanum) "The chapter is steeped in the ways of the Ecclesiarchy and are on close terms with their holy orders". (Chapter Approved 2001, Blood of Asaheim(BL) )
The Angels Revenant were said to be "stern supporters of the Imperial Creed". (Chapter Approved 2001, IA v12)
The White Consuls also worship the Emperor as a god, which is noted for being unusual for the Astartes. (WH40K BRB 5E, C:UM, C: EoT, DW: Rites of Battle, C: SM 6E ebook)
The Doom Eagles are "notoriously pious". (DW: Honour the Chapter, Legends of the Space Marines anthology, several BL novels/stories)
The Fire Angels (a UM Successor) are zealously dedicated to the Creed. Of them, it is said, "they do not revere their ancestral primarch (Roboute Guilliman) as most chapters do, believing this to be a form of idolatry". (IA v9)
The Red Scorpions, who developed the Helios-pattern Land Raider, are seriously in the Emp-worshipping camp. (IA v4, v6, v7, v9, WD 101, WD 105)
And then there are the Storm Wardens, from FFG's Deathwatch RPG. Not a GW Chapter, obviously, but one more for the pile.
One can make arguments for the Angels Resplendent/Angels Penitent, the Brazen Skulls, the Celebrants, the Crimson Fists, the Templars of Blood, and the Novamarines, though these Chapters are not outright said to worship the God-Emperor (but elements to what lore there is about them suggests such an arrangement).
... so, really, depends on the Chapter. Remember that a lot of the kids who go into a Chapter as an Aspirant are going to come from human societies that do worship the Emperor, so trying to change that model of belief is probably not high on the indoctrination list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/04 17:35:06
Subject: Re:How do Marines feel about Living Saints?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Captain Joystick wrote:The manifestation of a living saint is so rare in the fluff that I suspect you could account for every time a space marine company witnessed the event and their reactions to it on an individual basis.
Perhaps a librarian would see it as a latent psyker burning herself out at the moment her powers awaken (a sign of troubling degradation within the ecclesiarchy they wouldn't dare speak aloud), or even evidence of humanity's slow awakening as a race of psykers.
Naturally, the further you get away from actually witnessing of the event the more skeptical they would be.
A librarian would be able to recognise that the Saint is a non-psychic phenomena.
Also, it should be noted that Celestine is an abberation: The majority of Living Saints do not start out as members of the Ecclesiarchy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/07 10:34:23
Subject: How do Marines feel about Living Saints?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Ask Nathaniel Garro, he will give you a good stance on it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/07 23:09:45
Subject: Re:How do Marines feel about Living Saints?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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what book has Garro running into one of the Emperor's Miracles ? I'd love to give that a read.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/08 09:18:42
Subject: How do Marines feel about Living Saints?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Either Horus Rising or Galaxy in Flames. His reaction is very disappointing. It's basically. "Huh, okay. Guess I'll convert then."
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