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If I read the rules correctly, all the models from the new Deathwatch game can be used in regular 40k games using the special formation out of the White Dwarf magazine. However, it seems to say that all the models have to be deployed as ONE single unit. Some of the models are foot sloggers, a couple use jet packs, and one is a biker.

If they have to deploy and behave as if they are in one single unit, that has to be the dumbest rule ever since that would basically chain the jet pack dudes and the biker to a slow 6 inch move every round. Oh GW, why would you create such a horrid formation for your newest product?

 bomtek80 wrote:
If I read the rules correctly, all the models from the new Deathwatch game can be used in regular 40k games using the special formation out of the White Dwarf magazine. However, it seems to say that all the models have to be deployed as ONE single unit. Some of the models are foot sloggers, a couple use jet packs, and one is a biker.

If they have to deploy and behave as if they are in one single unit, that has to be the dumbest rule ever since that would basically chain the jet pack dudes and the biker to a slow 6 inch move every round. Oh GW, why would you create such a horrid formation for your newest product?

Your best bet is to run an allied detachment with one of the HQs (probably the Librarian) and the Troops Squad (Squad Donatus). That way you can run them as an augment to an existing army. You could get them a Drop Pod using your regular detachment. The only way to make any meaningful use of the other models is to use the whole formation because none of the other models have Independent Character.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 bomtek80 wrote:
If I read the rules correctly, all the models from the new Deathwatch game can be used in regular 40k games using the special formation out of the White Dwarf magazine. However, it seems to say that all the models have to be deployed as ONE single unit. Some of the models are foot sloggers, a couple use jet packs, and one is a biker.

If they have to deploy and behave as if they are in one single unit, that has to be the dumbest rule ever since that would basically chain the jet pack dudes and the biker to a slow 6 inch move every round. Oh GW, why would you create such a horrid formation for your newest product?

Your best bet is to run an allied detachment with one of the HQs (probably the Librarian) and the Troops Squad (Squad Donatus). That way you can run them as an augment to an existing army. You could get them a Drop Pod using your regular detachment. The only way to make any meaningful use of the other models is to use the whole formation because none of the other models have Independent Character.

That's true, but still seems a waste to run them that way. Honestly, they just need to roll up the DW, GK, and Inquisition into a single codex. None of them have enough elements to run on their own (except for the GK, but even then they really aren't that good anymore).

And that would accomplish....? Nothing?

I'm not sure you couldn't use the terminator guy (Branatar) as a suicide deep striker, but seems very chancy. Still, at only 60 points it might be worth trying. I still want the set if only because the models are awesome!

Yeah I would just roll an allied detachment with the Librarian as HQ, the squad as troops and then probably the salamander or biker for the elite slot.

I dont know what gear the foot slog squad has though so I am totally out of the loop on that one.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
Yeah I would just roll an allied detachment with the Librarian as HQ, the squad as troops and then probably the salamander or biker for the elite slot.

I dont know what gear the foot slog squad has though so I am totally out of the loop on that one.

Biker is Fast Attack, so you could theoretically run both him and one of the JP marines or the Terminator in the same Allied Detachment.

The Deathwatch have the following models available:

HQ: Chaplain Cassius, Librarian Jensus Matorian
Elites: Edryc Sentorax (Vanguard Veteran), Antor Delassio (Assault Marine [but is actually built like a Vanguard Veteran]), and Garran Branatar (Terminator)
Fast Attack: Jeten Suberel (Bike Sergeant)
Troops: Squad Donatus

So you could run one of the HQs, one of the three different elites, Jeten Suberel, and Squad Donatus all in the same Allied Detachment.

Wouldn't the JPs and bike move their normal movement but have to stay within coherency?

Librarian, Squad Donatus and the Salamander,

Iron Arm on a close range Terminator is greaaaaaat.


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 Quickjager wrote:
And that would accomplish....? Nothing?

It would accomplish plenty, you can fill out CAD's and maybe new formations a lot easier.

 troa wrote:
Wouldn't the JPs and bike move their normal movement but have to stay within coherency?

That's true, but still a waste of their speed. The only real advantage is keeping them behind the grunts and then moving to the front only after they've caught all the incoming firepower.
But yeah, the formation's pretty naff. The infantry elements mean that the unit is moving 6" a turn. The bike element means that the unit cannot run. We have over 500pts of models crawling 6" a turn and throwing out firepower comparable to a Tactical Squad.

The terminator is 60 points. So is a MM/HF land speeder. Both DS. Salamander has a smaller footprint. Speeder is a lot faster, TDA can punch things. T4 1W 2+/5++ vs. AV10 2HP skimmer? Neither one is very rugged, but can shrug off a reasonable amount of fire until the dice turn against them.

While they can’t join units, other characters can join them. I’m not sure what sort of wacky buddy comedy could be set up, but I’m sure something could. Adding a TH/SE CM on a bike with the white scar would give him hit and run.

One thing to keep an eye out for is what of the laundry list of special rules they have affect the whole unit. They don’t have Chapter Tactics, so sidestep the restrictions on having multiple CTs working together.

So did they not think the rules through for these guy so well. The only chapter approved all models were independent characters. And it gave them the option for transport.

I'm a little confused -

Can each individual Deathwatch marine be dropped into any 40k army, or can they only be fielded in 40k through the Kill Team Cassius formation?

Terminal wrote:
I'm a little confused -

Can each individual Deathwatch marine be dropped into any 40k army, or can they only be fielded in 40k through the Kill Team Cassius formation?

If you look upthread at Casvalremdelkun’s post, he lists what FOC slots each thing in the Deathwatch fills. As there is a troop option (Squad Donatus) and 2 HQs (Cassius and Matorian) there are enough parts to use a ally detachment. This gives you a little more ala carte choice of who to take. So you don’t need to take the whole everyone together formation.

I was kinda miffed that everything in that set were made to be Unique, so there's literally no way of building an army of them short of spamming the not-deathwatch 1st Company Task Force.

But I was too distracted by the sexiness that is the Genestealer Cult

A set is released, the marines get crappy rules and the not-marines get good rules.

I didn't think I would be so happy...but there it is.

To be fair, if you wanna run Deathwatch, you can sorta do it with just the First Company Taskforce. A lot fluffier too since you can give them some decent customization.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
To be fair, if you wanna run Deathwatch, you can sorta do it with just the First Company Taskforce. A lot fluffier too since you can give them some decent customization.

Gee, shocking that special characters have preset loadouts.