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Has anyone does this? Currently 3 boxs of scourge = 2 of swooping hawks and the scourge look so much cooler... Would WYSIWYG tournaments allow this?
I was thinking 5 ones with angel wings and the deamon one be the exarch?

Would you change anything to to model?
Do you prefer scourge over swooping hawks?
What gun would you give scourge?

I think it could work without much issue. Some people might complain, but that could be said about most things. I would not do this in a list where you were actually using DE allies though, the potential for confusion going up a lot then. If you are worried about tournaments, check with the TO. They all have different levels of acceptance.

I’d avoid the taloned looking feet. The boots are probably fine, and maybe some of the bare feet, hard to tell from the pics. Although most craftworlders have the common sense to wear shoes.

The basic guns should be fine for the rank and file (not sure what they are called). You could probably use one the the heavy weapons for the exarch’s options.

Make sure they have some grenades, that’s a big part of the hawk’s identity. Besides being flappy elf guys with light weapons, which the scourges also do well.

On top of what nevelon has stated, I would use different helmets. Scourges and Hawks are "cousins" in the fluff, they are still two totally different models. You'll want to put enough effort into the conversion to get the aesthetics of Eldar out of the dark kin model. Doing so would help with the rule of cool and army flavor over "I didn't want to spend the money" for tourny play. I personally would have no problem with this but sticklers might.

While a shard carbine (basic gun) looks like it would work, it still screams DE, (maybe because I'm a DE player). The bonus is scourges come with some very coveted parts (blasters & haywire blasters) which you could easily trade for other weapons more suited with the Eldar flavor. Just my thoughts on it.

I think one of the main drives for using scourges is not price, but finecast. It’s the main reason I don’t have more aspect warriors in my army. Looking into scourges for this thread tempted me to do something similar.

I wonder how much impact the paintjob would have on differentiation. If you saw scourges on the table in a light blue/grey scheme would you automatically assume they were hawks?

I don’t play DE, so I don’t automatically make assumptions about their gear. I also sometimes have a loose value for WYSWYG for conversion purposes. What do I see? Winged elves with light rifles. Does it mater if they are shard carbines or lasblasters? Both do more or less the same thing IIRC. It’s not like they are packing AV weapons or anything like that. So in that sense I’m getting what I’m seeing. But then, I apply the rule of cool fairly liberally. YMMV.

All my hawks are scourges. Most people think they are the actual hawk models.
Use the smallest gun to represent the lasblaster. I have one modded with a bigger gun to reflect the sunrifle.

The big thing is to paint them up in much brighter colors, and to only use the feather wings -- not the bat ones. Those I saved for Chaos Furies conversions.

 Nevelon wrote:
I think one of the main drives for using scourges is not price, but finecast. It’s the main reason I don’t have more aspect warriors in my army. Looking into scourges for this thread tempted me to do something similar.

I wonder how much impact the paintjob would have on differentiation. If you saw scourges on the table in a light blue/grey scheme would you automatically assume they were hawks?

I don’t play DE, so I don’t automatically make assumptions about their gear. I also sometimes have a loose value for WYSWYG for conversion purposes. What do I see? Winged elves with light rifles. Does it mater if they are shard carbines or lasblasters? Both do more or less the same thing IIRC. It’s not like they are packing AV weapons or anything like that. So in that sense I’m getting what I’m seeing. But then, I apply the rule of cool fairly liberally. YMMV.

All the points you made I understand and agree with you on. If we had a game (tourney or pick up) would I raise an issue? No. Would i identify them as hawks? Yes. I'd also appreciate that you've made your army yours and enjoy a solid paint job to play against.

The shard carbine and lasblaster are basically one and the same with slight rule changes for DE/E differences. I just feel the scourge base model could really pop as a badass hawk model with a little bit of conversion work and splicing some Eldar bits on there.

Heck, I even looked at some options because I can see myself branching into Eldar/corsairs later this year as I'm getting pretty happy with how my DE is growing. The third edition? DE splinter cannon could make a sweet shard carbine with minimal to no work. And it would fit well with the scourge armor as is. I happen to have a broken scourge need of repair and an oop splinter cannon in a box. I can dig them out and throw some pics if you'd like later tonight when I'm off work.


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 labmouse42 wrote:
All my hawks are scourges. Most people think they are the actual hawk models.
Use the smallest gun to represent the lasblaster. I have one modded with a bigger gun to reflect the sunrifle.

The big thing is to paint them up in much brighter colors, and to only use the feather wings -- not the bat ones. Those I saved for Chaos Furies conversions.

This just proves your point nevelon. They do work.

Beautiful paint job there, I dig them.

Lovely work there LabMouse.

If you look closely at the guys in front, you can definitely tell their origins as DE. Weapons are a little spiky, etc. But those guys in the back? Which is much closer to the table-top arm’s length that most minis get viewed at. Indistinguishable.

I kept the spikey look because my army theme is a 'savage aspect host', and I've borrowed heavily from the DE line.

My dark reapers, for example, are inncubi models that have been converted to hold dark lances.

interestingly enough I actually did the opposite! Back in the day I got a few free swooping hawks in metal so I merely turned their wings down and painted them dark. Kinda wish these days I had done the opposite......

Literally nobody will blame you for even wanting to proxy because of how nice overall the DE model line is.

My Eldar are themed as Corsairs, and I wanted them to look more vicious. My Swooping Hawks are plastic Scourges, both for aesthetics and because not only do I not particularly like the Swooping Hawks in metal, I would never in a million years buy them in Finecast.

I used the carbines on all of them as they look quite a bit like the lasblasters.

I don't use allied Dark Eldar in my army at all, so it's not confusing once they are explained, and my games are only friendly ones, anyway, where rule of cool and a well-portrayed idea trumps everything.