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'lo there

I've been reading the new retribution book, and the blackshields have really piqued my interests. All of the blackshield writings in it suggested that while Traitor legions had loyalists, the opposite was also true.

I was wondering if anyone was aware of any of these instances, aside from the big well known ones (i.e Luther and the fallen angels and the White Scars civil war).

Thanks,

Thetallestgiraffe

There's a raven guard who hangs out with the night lords.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Alastor_Rushal

Scars and one of the Garro audio books talk about this

I am not big on the Space Wolves but didnt an entire Great Company turn sides?

Col. Dash wrote:
I am not big on the Space Wolves but didnt an entire Great Company turn sides?

I don't think so. One mutated into mostly werewolves and was sent into the eye of terror to hunt traitors.

They were mostly normal Marines as I recall. It's just that all the Wulfen got sent to them.

Didn't the White Scars have an entire civil war between traitor and loyalist elements? Also, the Dark Angels definetely did.

Apart from that, most of the Legions, even the loyalists, had warrior lodges that were secretly loyal to Horus.

i assume the occasional marine turns side, what i want to know is does the occasional traitor turn loyal again )excluding early on when the traitor legoins split

 the clone wrote:
i assume the occasional marine turns side, what i want to know is does the occasional traitor turn loyal again )excluding early on when the traitor legoins split

Yes, that also happened. The 114th Iron Warriors Grand Batallion for example (the story is in Retribution). They were part of a force under command of the Alpha Legion, sent to conquer a Forgeworld. The Alpha Legion then ended up using the Iron Warriors as bait to distract the enemy while they did some typical AL trickery behind enemy lines. The Iron Warriors quickly realised that their orders to assault were pretty much suicide after the promised AL support did not arrive. This obviously got the IW really mad and they ended up turning on the Alpha Legion, virtually annihilating the entire AL force and ruining the operation. Fearing the wrath of Perturabo, the Iron Warriors afterwards kept fighting for the loyalist cause alongside the Salamanders of Cassian Dracos.

I've really been enjoying the large HH books. The backstories in books 1-6 are pretty clear that it wasn't as simmple as traitor legions bad, loyalist legions good. There were many motivations on both sides which drove them one way or another. Makes for great background on which to base your army

Traitor loyalists?

They existed. There's a reason there's an option for Marauder Blackshields. Some squads and Marines power tripped out and were imprisoned for it. Some of them straight up rebelled when the Primarch was brought 'back' to the legion and were imprisoned for it.

It's likely that some Marines assigned to other legions as 'advisors' or observers could well have been caught up in the same web as the Legion and turned just the same.

Loyalist Traitor Legions and Traitor Loyalist Legions are the whole reason the Outcast Sons and Orphans of Betrayal RoW are even in the Retribution book.

Outcast Sons is to represent Traitor Loyalists and Orphans of Betrayal is to represent Loyal Traitors.