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So let's say that the daemon primarchs get into an argument over who is more powerful: Magnus says he is master of the warp, Logar says he alone orchastrated the Horus Heresy, Angron says he would tear them apart before they could work their trickery, Fulgrim says he is far too fast for Angron, Perturabo says he could blast them all before they could even get to him and Mortarion says it doesn't matter who kills who for he is master over death.

So how do they decide who is most powerful? A free for all of course!

All daemon primarchs are placed in a large arena, they can use whatever powers/weapons they carry with them.

Who do you think would win?

Quick refresher of the daemon primarchs probabal tactics:
Magnus will probably sit in the centre spurting out magic left and right,
Logar would sneak around turning the other primarchs on each other and wait until they have all killed each other,
Angron would rush straight at the nearest primarch and tear them apart,
Fulgrim would probably follow Angrons tactics but with a little more restraint,
Perturabo would camp in a corner blasting anyone who got near him,
And Mortarion would swoop around the arena picking off weak or tired primarchs.

Personally my momey is on Fulgrim just because Angron has no restraint.

It's hard to really say because they're all empowered by their Gods- thus, in the vein of how Greek gods buff or nerf their champions on a whim, what a FFA between Primarchs essentially comes down to is whose god empowers them the most.

Taking the Gods out of the equation, Magnus is the strongest psyker and thus could probably disintegrate most of the others by himself.

But what about Angrons ability do basically deny any psychic attack because he is a champion of Khorne.

mrhappyface wrote:But what about Angrons ability do basically deny any psychic attack because he is a champion of Khorne.

BlaxicanX wrote:Taking the Gods out of the equation, Magnus is the strongest psyker and thus could probably disintegrate most of the others by himself.

Well Fulgrim has the best record of Primarch killing so thats worth something.

Magnus - pewpew.
The TS bar versing Nulls can fry/obliterate/dessicate/burn/shield/hallucinate/puppet everything else.

Angron *might* have some form of psy defense but everyone else is literally dead within a thought (2 thoughts if they have psy armor).....

Magnus.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Taking the Gods out of the equation.

I would say that we shouldn't completely take the Gods out of it or they revert back to regular primarchs rather than Daemon primarchs.
As for the Gods empowering them more we can say that in this FFA all of the primarchs are the most powerful they have wver been IN THE FLUFF. (However I fear that Logar might take the short end of the stick on this one again)

Angron. The only primarch since the heresy to actually get crap done, the rest just whine/hide/have names carved into there hearts/lament better days/orgies

Angron. The only primarch since the heresy to actually get crap done, the rest just whine/hide/have names carved into there hearts/lament better days/orgies

Angry /=/ useful to a limited degree.
He was a psycotic loose cannon, that nearly cost Horus Ist5 and well needed a serious spanking on the arse. If you think he can either outfight Magnus or Fulgrim or even Morty you are sorely deluded.
Reel it in. Even the most arrogant Leman Russ proved him to be a moron - ever been in a real fight where Rage VS Composure?......

Magnus as a DP once again - single thought ....kills....

As well as being psychically the strongest, Magnus was also physically the largest of the Primarchs.

Even if Angron's immune to his mind bullets, he still has to contend with Magnus' size, fighting skill, combat precognition and ability to heal himself and make himself stronger and faster...

... and unlike Leman Russ, Angron doesn't have his own internally-focussed psionic powers to counter that with.

 Ratius wrote:

Angron. The only primarch since the heresy to actually get crap done, the rest just whine/hide/have names carved into there hearts/lament better days/orgies

Angry /=/ useful to a limited degree.
He was a psycotic loose cannon, that nearly cost Horus Ist5 and well needed a serious spanking on the arse. If you think he can either outfight Magnus or Fulgrim or even Morty you are sorely deluded.
Reel it in. Even the most arrogant Leman Russ proved him to be a moron - ever been in a real fight where Rage VS Composure?......

Magnus as a DP once again - single thought ....kills....

Ah yes, and that shows with Magnus' record of getting anything done!

Oh, wait...

We're talking deamon primarchs right?

If we're talking heresy then magnus may have been the biggest, but was far from the strongest, that belongs to ferrus and vulkan respectively.

If we're talking deamons, then I stand by my statement, Angron since the heresy has been the only one to actually do anything, magnus attacked the fang and failed, against a single chapter... Yeah... Good work that man.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
Well Fulgrim has the best record of Primarch killing so thats worth something.

And Perturabo killed Fulgrim (only for Fulgrim to ascend to daemonhood at the same moment), so he is probably the second-best fighter of the remaining traitor Primarchs after Angron (this is also supported by his FW stats). Perturabo is most definitely the best strategist of them, and he also has one of the largest and best-equipped forces to back him up. The Emperor's Children, Thousand Sons and World Eaters are too far gone to be likely to return, even at the command of their Primarch, and much of the Death Guard also no longer serves Mortarion, so that leaves only the Word Bearers to rival the Iron Warriors.
Therefore, the fight between who is the most powerful would largely be between Perturabo and Lorgar, I think. The other Primarchs do not have the armies to match the Iron Warriors or Word Bearers. Also taking the favour of the Chaos Gods into the equation, Lorgar and Perturabo are both favoured by all four gods, while the others have the favour of only one.

Also, Magnus' powers are great, but not so great he can just kill another Primarch without breaking a sweat. If that had been so, Magnus would have defeated Russ, not the other way around. Daemonic Magnus also struggled to defeat Bjorn and Harek Ironhelm during the Battle of the Fang. IIRC, I also recall that Magnus' power was broken somehow by the whole Rubric thing.


In an arena, it would be Angron without doubt. Angron was practically born in an arena. No one beats Angron in a straight up fight (except for Horus maybe)

 Formosa wrote:
.If we're talking deamons, then I stand by my statement, Angron since the heresy has been the only one to actually do anything, magnus attacked the fang and failed, against a single chapter... Yeah... Good work that man.

What do achievements have to do with combat prowess? Guilliman conquered more planets than any other Primarch- are you asserting that he would therefore beat Angron or Magnus in a duel?

It wouldnt be Magnus, Hed turn up then forget why he was there and who he was as usual. But it might depend which shard of him turned up.

Probably Angry Ron, but the longer it went on, the more I'd give it Morty.

Psykers - Magnus, get their power from the Warp, FROM the gods. Magnus is directly empowered by Tzeentch since he sold out his and his entire legions soul.

Take the gods out of the equation and Magnus is a muppet.

Well, Magnus has blown up the heads of 2 Eldar Titans with his psychic ability even before he was a Daemon so... yeah. No contest.

Magnus.