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I have a (small) WoC army and I'm keen to try some KoW, but some questions first:

If I have to choose; should I get the rules or the Uncharted Empires book (and use the "core rules")?

I see from easy army that some heroes have 25x25mm bases, which is nice of them, but what about the rest?
Should I keep the base size for my warriors or have them 4x3 wide (for a 100x80mm tray)?

How many point do I need for a typical PUG?

Finally what are the restrictions for the marks? Am I limited to how many I can use is an army or per unit?

I'm sure most of this has been asked before, so thanks for your patience.

1) What exactly do you mean? Use Uncharted Empires and the free pdf? I suppose you could if youre using Easyarmy, but the core rule book is definitely worth it. Not sure how necessary Uncharted Empires is, since I dont actually own it.

2) Your warriors would most likely be used as Sons of Korgaan, which come on 25mm bases.

3) 1500 is usually on the lower end, 2000 is another pretty common one... ymmv though.

4) No restrictions Im aware of, barring a unit with multiple marks. Might be wrong though, working from memory of the beta.

Something else to bear in mind is that in Kings of War it is the footprint of the unit that matters - not the footprint of each individual model - so long as the tray is the right size, there should be no complaints.

People sometimes take advantage of this to do units that are more like small dioramas - my favorite was a unit of dwarf Rangers that were planting their pennant on top of a mountain. (Still counts as just one dwarf high - the mountain is purely for looks.)

The Auld Grump

So if I want to use my warriors as Bloodsworn I'll then have them as 4x3 on a 100x80mm base.

Alternatively; do you think it would be a problem if I used them as demons? I don't have that many points of warriors, but if I mix it with my daemons I have plenty.

So: warriors as abyssal guard, chariots as abyssal horsemen and my shaggoth as a fiend without wings?
Not sure about the sorcerer and familiar though.

Yep, that basing is fine.

As long as it's clear what is what you're golden. I've seen Nature armies where everything was some sort of dinosaur, and that's a lot more confusing than Chaos as Abyssals.

Before Varangur came out, people played Chaos as Orcs, their statline is pretty close.

DarkBlack wrote:If I have to choose; should I get the rules or the Uncharted Empires book (and use the "core rules")?

How many point do I need for a typical PUG?

Finally what are the restrictions for the marks? Am I limited to how many I can use is an army or per unit?

1) I'd say the main book. Everything you really need in Uncharted you can get out of the Easy Army builder. Personally though I just bought both at the same time, because cheap and high value

2) I'd say 1500-2000 for a sizable game. You should be able to find a 1000 to get you going though.

3) You can only take one Gift per unit that can take one.

DarkBlack wrote:So if I want to use my warriors as Bloodsworn I'll then have them as 4x3 on a 100x80mm base.

Alternatively; do you think it would be a problem if I used them as demons? I don't have that many points of warriors, but if I mix it with my daemons I have plenty.

That's right on using warriors as 20mm infantry. 4x3 25mm bases is just about right, would just need either a 100x5 filler at the back or a tray / regiment base of the right size.

As for using your WoC as Abyssals, you can do whatever you want as long as you're consistent and avoid confusion. Personally I'd prefer WoC use Varangur rules, but clearly that won't be for everyone, particularly depending on actual models, exotic conversions, etc. You know you can take allies in KoW? 25% of your total points can come from another faction (as long as you're not combining Good + Evil), so you could certainly have your WoC and your DoC collections combine forces. They can't make use of each other's Inspiring or buff spells, but that's not too much of a price.

- Salvage

Thanks for the tips. Yea, Varangur seem to capture the "feel" of WoC more.

I'll see how many opponents I can find and decide how much money it's worth investing based on that, if I can find regular games I'll probably get both books.

I have found fantasy folks are Really open to trying Kings of War. The rules are quick to pick up, so if you've got fantasy opponents, you can turn them into KoW test opponents pretty easily

I'm a week or two late to the party.


How much does a Varagur army feel like a Warriors of Chaos army. I loved marching regiments of hardy warriors across the board. Is that achievable here and does every unit have a mantic equilivent? Or are some models going to be left in the dust.

 welshhoppo wrote:
How much does a Varagur army feel like a Warriors of Chaos army. I loved marching regiments of hardy warriors across the board.

Then you've come to the right place Blocks of foot Sons (i.e. WoC / Chosen) are particularly nasty and decently tough (having fought them a time or two now), and mounted Sons (i.e. Knights) are extra brutal!

does every unit have a mantic equilivent? Or are some models going to be left in the dust.

The WoC list is huge, with so many units that some very rarely saw the table. But even saying that, I believe you can find a place for everything, especially with the ability to take allies or tweak units with a thematic magic item to better fit the Warhams units you know and love. The place you may need to stretch I think might be characters? Due to fewer mount options, different base sizes, etc. But you'll also find that KOW doesn't necessarily use as many heroes as you're used to with WHFB (though WOC were amongst the lightest on the hero front, most times).

- Salvage

Ooo excellent.

Where do I find the rules for the Varagur? What books or web documents?

 welshhoppo wrote:
Where do I find the rules for the Varagur? What books or web documents?

They're covered in Uncharted Empires, but in the meantime you can find most all you need to build a list here: http://kow2.easyarmy.com/

The book helps fill you in on what Mantic is thinking for each unit ... however since you're retrofitting a WHFB army to KOW rules, you've probably got your own idea about what your units look like

- Salvage

The Uncharted Empires physical book is quite cheap if you want to get it. If you get the pdf from Mantic's site check all the currencies as I think the pound was actually the cheapest for me

That's good I've had a read and I still have a question or two.

Am I right in that there is no way to kill a unit besides making it rout off the board?

And am I right in that skullcrushers are too big to be direfang riders and will need a smaller base?

 welshhoppo wrote:
That's good I've had a read and I still have a question or two.

Am I right in that there is no way to kill a unit besides making it rout off the board?

And am I right in that skullcrushers are too big to be direfang riders and will need a smaller base?

Routing is the only way to remove a unit.

My buddy uses 4 Skull crushers on a regimental base for his Direfang cav. Here is a battle report with them: https://youtu.be/MjYiENh4PrM