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Yep that's my question. Any help is appreciated!


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O and I ment for it to mean a battle forged detachment

Yes just taking the formation is still battle forged. You don't need to take the detachment - you actually have to choose between taking the detachment or formation or a combination of the two. It can't count for both.

Thanks so much for the help


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Oh and how do you run other models with a formation?

DorianGray wrote:
Yes just taking the formation is still battle forged. You don't need to take the detachment - you actually have to choose between taking the detachment or formation or a combination of the two. It can't count for both.

I'm not sure this is coming across as you intend. Just to clarify, a formation is considered a type of detachment. In Battle-forged all units must belong to one detachment, so as long as everything you field is either in a Masque Detachment or a Formation in your list you're good to go. This does mean you can field an entire army of formations.

Most tourneys have a limit to how many detachments (Detachments and/or Formations) you can field. Some also limit how many of the same type of detachment (Detachment or Formation) you can have. But at the most basic level there's no limit.

Blitzbringer wrote:
Thanks so much for the help


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Oh and how do you run other models with a formation?

By adding them into a different formation if they are not allowed in the first one. Only units that can be in a formation are the ones the formation specifies. If you wanted for example, serpents brood detachment, but wanted more elites, you could also take the heros path detachment too.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Blitzbringer wrote:
Thanks so much for the help


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Oh and how do you run other models with a formation?

By adding them into a different formation if they are not allowed in the first one. Only units that can be in a formation are the ones the formation specifies. If you wanted for example, serpents brood detachment, but wanted more elites, you could also take the heros path detachment too.

That's probably not the best example as none of the models in The Heroes' Path have Independent Character and thus can't join any units in the Serpent's Brood. But the idea is the same. You get Elites in a different detachment, be it the Harlequin's Masque for the Elites cosmicsoybean mentioned or through a CAD or Allied Detachment w/ another faction.

Thank you all for your help


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Hey could you make a CAD harlequin army?

Tropic Thunder wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Blitzbringer wrote:
Thanks so much for the help


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Oh and how do you run other models with a formation?

By adding them into a different formation if they are not allowed in the first one. Only units that can be in a formation are the ones the formation specifies. If you wanted for example, serpents brood detachment, but wanted more elites, you could also take the heros path detachment too.

That's probably not the best example as none of the models in The Heroes' Path have Independent Character and thus can't join any units in the Serpent's Brood. But the idea is the same. You get Elites in a different detachment, be it the Harlequin's Masque for the Elites cosmicsoybean mentioned or through a CAD or Allied Detachment w/ another faction.

except they DO have independent character....



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Blitzbringer wrote:
Thank you all for your help


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Hey could you make a CAD harlequin army?

Nope. quins don't have a HQ and cant take traditional detachments.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Tropic Thunder wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Blitzbringer wrote:
Thanks so much for the help


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Oh and how do you run other models with a formation?

By adding them into a different formation if they are not allowed in the first one. Only units that can be in a formation are the ones the formation specifies. If you wanted for example, serpents brood detachment, but wanted more elites, you could also take the heros path detachment too.

That's probably not the best example as none of the models in The Heroes' Path have Independent Character and thus can't join any units in the Serpent's Brood. But the idea is the same. You get Elites in a different detachment, be it the Harlequin's Masque for the Elites cosmicsoybean mentioned or through a CAD or Allied Detachment w/ another faction.

except they DO have independent character....

They're so independent, they can't join squads or be joined by other ICs!

Wyldhunt wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Tropic Thunder wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Blitzbringer wrote:
Thanks so much for the help


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oh and how do you run other models with a formation?

By adding them into a different formation if they are not allowed in the first one. Only units that can be in a formation are the ones the formation specifies. If you wanted for example, serpents brood detachment, but wanted more elites, you could also take the heros path detachment too.

That's probably not the best example as none of the models in The Heroes' Path have Independent Character and thus can't join any units in the Serpent's Brood. But the idea is the same. You get Elites in a different detachment, be it the Harlequin's Masque for the Elites cosmicsoybean mentioned or through a CAD or Allied Detachment w/ another faction.

except they DO have independent character....

They're so independent, they can't join squads or be joined by other ICs!

Yeahl, but saying they dont have that rule is incorrect, IC rule comes into play not super often, but enough that its not worth ignoring.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Wyldhunt wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Tropic Thunder wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Blitzbringer wrote:
Thanks so much for the help


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oh and how do you run other models with a formation?

By adding them into a different formation if they are not allowed in the first one. Only units that can be in a formation are the ones the formation specifies. If you wanted for example, serpents brood detachment, but wanted more elites, you could also take the heros path detachment too.

That's probably not the best example as none of the models in The Heroes' Path have Independent Character and thus can't join any units in the Serpent's Brood. But the idea is the same. You get Elites in a different detachment, be it the Harlequin's Masque for the Elites cosmicsoybean mentioned or through a CAD or Allied Detachment w/ another faction.

except they DO have independent character....

Fair enough.

They're so independent, they can't join squads or be joined by other ICs!

Yeahl, but saying they dont have that rule is incorrect, IC rule comes into play not super often, but enough that its not worth ignoring.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
Yeahl, but saying they dont have that rule is incorrect, IC rule comes into play not super often, but enough that its not worth ignoring.

The point is really moot as none of the models in The Heroes' Path can join other units. If they can't join other units, then they can't even attempt to benefit from unit rules within that formation. Here's the OP's original question that spawned the suggestion:

Oh and how do you run other models with a formation?

One way to interpret this question is, "How can other models join this formation?" Another interpretation is more general: "How can other models be added to the list to run together with the formation but not be a part of it?". Your recommendation took the latter. My response was influenced by the first.

Interpreting the second way, there's absolutely nothing wrong with adding Elites to the list through The Heroes' Path. Interpreting the first way, using The Heroes' Path won't work because none of the models in The Heroes' Path can join units from the initial formation. That's where my response was coming from.

Tropic Thunder wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
Yeahl, but saying they dont have that rule is incorrect, IC rule comes into play not super often, but enough that its not worth ignoring.

The point is really moot as none of the models in The Heroes' Path can join other units. If they can't join other units, then they can't even attempt to benefit from unit rules within that formation. Here's the OP's original question that spawned the suggestion:

Oh and how do you run other models with a formation?

One way to interpret this question is, "How can other models join this formation?" Another interpretation is more general: "How can other models be added to the list to run together with the formation but not be a part of it?". Your recommendation took the latter. My response was influenced by the first.

Interpreting the second way, there's absolutely nothing wrong with adding Elites to the list through The Heroes' Path. Interpreting the first way, using The Heroes' Path won't work because none of the models in The Heroes' Path can join units from the initial formation. That's where my response was coming from.

I must have misinterpreted the op, I was thinking he meant how to use other models not in the formation on the table. From his post I didnt have enough info to guess he meant all in one formation, which I already side can't be done.