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Made in us
Loyal Necron Lychguard





Working on it

Ok, so I was play testing a list at 1500 points and it didn't do well, but it did.

There were certain units that did well and others that were bad choices.

Here's the original list:
Spoiler:
+++Chapter Tactics: Carcharodons+++

++HQ-310++

-Chaplain
--[Terminator Armour, Storm Bolter, Crozius]

-Tyberos the Red Wake

++Elites-384++

-Sternguard Veteran Squad (7)
---[5x Bolters, 2x Heavy Flamers]
-----Rhino

-Terminator Assault Squad (5)
---Lightning Claws

++Troops-400++

-Tactical Squad (10)
---[8x Bolters, Multi Melta, Flamer, 10x Extra CCW]
-----Drop Pod

-Tactical Squad (10)
---[8x Bolters, Multi Melta, Flamer, 10x Extra CCW]
-----Drop Pod

++Fast Attack-150++

Razorback
---[Lascannon, TL-Plasma Gun]

Razorback
---[Lascannon, TL-Plasma Gun]

++Heavy Support-250++

Land Raider Crusader


-Tyberos/Chaplain/Termies went in the Land Raider and did really well
-The Sternguard were very subpar, ended up sitting on objectives and getting destroyed very fast
-The Tactical Squads did well, they DS'd onto objectives and wreaked havoc
-Razorbacks were not good, they didn't seem to pull their weight and were destroyed quite easily


So I'm going to remove the Sternguard and Razorbacks which leaves me with 365 points to work with.

What would be the best addition (I can do FW as well) to this army?
I have a couple matches this weekend versus Necrons, Tau, Chaos, and possibly Orks. The game type will be selected from Maelstrom of War

I am at a loss for thinking Dakka, bestow upon me your expertise . Thanks for any feedback in advance

<Dynasty> ~10500pts
War Coven of the Coruscating Gaze ~3000pts
Thrice-Damned Plague Corps ~3250pts
Admech (TBN) ~3500pts +30k Bots and Ulator

 
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut




Ah yes. I've been trying my best to make the Carcharodons competitive. I'll give my advice.
1. Tactical Marines outside a Gladius are garbage. Seeing that you want to use them though, here's how to do it. Half the Tactical Squad is going to have a Melta Gun and Combi-Melta, and the other half will tote a Grav Cannon. Combat Squad them when they leave the Pod.
2. Scouts with Shotguns are your friends. Once you gain Rage, you don't need a pistol and CCW for melee.
3. Bikers are your friends even more. They gain Rage even quicker.

You aren't going to need a Chaplain either.

My 1850 list contains Tyberos and a Biker Captain with the Shield Eternal, Biker troops, and a Centurion Assault Squad with Melta Guns, and then a second Carcharodons CAD containing a Tech Marine and two or three units of Storm Scouts. I'll post an exact list later if requested.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Upstate, New York

I’d not write off the sternguard just yet. If you just want to park warm bodies on an objective, that’s tactical squad work. the vets should be riding the drop pod to battle and causing mayhem.

Razorbacks have big guns and paper armor. Unless you saturate the board, they are just going to die. For the points spent on the pair of them, you could get a real tank.

Your tac squads don’t want to be shooting the same thing. I’d go full melta with them.

   
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Working on it

Ok, so Re-do the Tac squads, get rid of the Chappy and throw in some bikes and Scouts.

Definitely do-able, Thanks guys

<Dynasty> ~10500pts
War Coven of the Coruscating Gaze ~3000pts
Thrice-Damned Plague Corps ~3250pts
Admech (TBN) ~3500pts +30k Bots and Ulator

 
   
Made in us
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Here's what I've ordinarily done, and obviously you can make changes wherever to make it more, um, fun.
CAD #1
HQ:
Tyberos
Captain
. Bike, Artificer Armor, Shield Eternal, TH, Digital Weapons, Auspex
Troops:
x5 Bikers
. 2 Grav, 1 Combi-Grav
x5 Bikers
. 2 Grav, 1 Combi-Grav
x5 Bikers
. 2 Grav, 1 Combi-Grav
x5 Bikers
. 2 Grav, 1 Combi-Grav
Elites:
x3 Assault Centurions
. 3 Melta Guns, Veteren Sergeant w/ Omniscope
Heavy Support:
x1 Spartan Assault Tank
. Armoured Ceramite, Frag Assault Launchers

CAD #2
HQ:
x1 Techmarine
. Servoharness
Troops:
x5 Scouts
. 4 Shotguns, Combi-Melta, Melta Bombs, Storm w/ Multi-Melta
x5 Scouts
. 4 Shotguns, Combi-Melta, Melta Bombs, Storm w/ Multi-Melta

It is relatively easy to take things in and out. If you face enough Haywire, you can easily remove enough Combi-Grav for the Schism Of Mars Legacy, for example. Perhaps you think the Techmarine is overall unneeded, at least for the Spartan. You remove the Digital Weapons from the Captain, and now you're manning a Thunderfire instead.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
Made in us
Loyal Necron Lychguard





Working on it

Definitely an interesting list

I'll tamper with it

<Dynasty> ~10500pts
War Coven of the Coruscating Gaze ~3000pts
Thrice-Damned Plague Corps ~3250pts
Admech (TBN) ~3500pts +30k Bots and Ulator

 
   
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St. George, Utah

IMO Razorbacks without a troop inside them are a waste of points. For 75 points, you could get the same weaponry or better on a Land Speeder and it'll be significantly more mobile. Ends up being harder to kill because even though AV10 all the way around, you get jink.

Also, the "Lascannon/Plasma Gun" option for Razorbacks has no twin-linked anything. The point of that compared to any other option is you give up twin-linked for having two guns.
   
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Upstate, New York

 SRSFACE wrote:
IMO Razorbacks without a troop inside them are a waste of points. For 75 points, you could get the same weaponry or better on a Land Speeder and it'll be significantly more mobile. Ends up being harder to kill because even though AV10 all the way around, you get jink.

Also, the "Lascannon/Plasma Gun" option for Razorbacks has no twin-linked anything. The point of that compared to any other option is you give up twin-linked for having two guns.


The las/plas razor actually has TL’d plasma guns, an a single LC.

I agree that if you are paying for the whole thing, it’s not the best use of points for getting fire on the table. And generally if you want a spare transport for combat squadding, just but two 5 man squads.

   
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Working on it

Agreed, the points limit got bumped up to 2500

So now I have 1365 points to spend

I'll update the list soon.

On a side note, I don't happen to have Bikes, Scouts, or Land Speeders...

EDIT: Here's the list I plan on bringing
Spoiler:
+++Chapter Tactics: Carcharodons+++

++CAD++

+HQ-310+

Tyberos (With Termies in Crusader)

Chaplain (With Termies in Crusader)
---[Terminator Armour, Storm Bolter]

+Elites+

Dreadnoughts (3) (Heavy infantry shredders)
---[6x TL-Autocannons]

Terminator Assault Squad (6)
---[Lightning Claws]

+Troops+

Tactical Squad (10) (DS where needed)
---[Multi Melta, Flamer, 10x CCW, Drop Pod]

Tactical Squad (10) (DS where needed)
---[Multi Melta, Flamer, 10x CCW, Drop Pod]

Tactical Squad (10) (DS where needed)
---[Multi Melta, Flamer, 10x CCW, Drop Pod]

Tactical Squad (5) (Backfield objective campers, hide behind Rhino)
---[Rhino]

Tactical Squad (5) (Backfield objective campers, hide behind Rhino)
---[Rhino]

+Heavy Support+

Fire Raptor Gunship (Anti-Flyer)
---[Two Turret-Mounted Autocannons]

Land Raider Crusader (Moves up and drops Termies where needed)
---[Multi-Melta]

Relic Leviathan Dreadnought (Dedicated Anti-Light Armor/Infantry)
---[2x Leviathan Storm Cannons]

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2016/03/23 02:41:25


<Dynasty> ~10500pts
War Coven of the Coruscating Gaze ~3000pts
Thrice-Damned Plague Corps ~3250pts
Admech (TBN) ~3500pts +30k Bots and Ulator

 
   
 
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