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You know the drill, the list is below, leave your thoughts and suggestions, thanks

HQ - 40pts
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Warlock - 1 x Warlock (35pts)
Warlock with Singing Spear upgrade (5pts)

Troops - 215pts
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Dire Avengers - 5x Dire Avengers (65pts)
One Dire Avenger is upgraded to an Exarch and takes a power sword and shimmershield

Guardian Defenders - 10 x Guardian Defenders
1 x Weapon Platform with Eldar Missile Launcher

Fast Attack - 345pts
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Wave Serpent - 110pts
Turret Weapon = Twin-linked Brightlances
Hull Weapon = Shuriken Cannon
Vehicle Equipment = Crystal Targetting Matrix , Ghostwalk Matrix , Holo Fields , Star Engines , Vectored Engines

Vyper Squadron - 1 x Vyper
Hull Weapon = Shuriken Cannon
Turret Weapon = Brightlance
Vehicle Equipment = Crystal Targetting Matrix , Ghostwalk Matrix , Holo Fields , Star Engines , Vectored Engines


points removed. Reds8n

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I question whether a shimmershield is worthwhile in such a small squad. I'd take an extra Avenger instead.

I've got a few suggestions:
- Take the Wave Serpent as a dedicated transport for the Avengers or Guardians rather than a Fast Attack choice so that it gets Objective Secured.
- The vehicles really don't need all that wargear. Crystal Targeting Matrix is just paying 25 points for a single shot that you may or may not use with a weapon you already bought. It's a nice little gimmick, but that 25 points is better spent on more bodies.
- The Avenger Exarch with Shimmershield is really only worth the points sink for full squads. I'd take some wargear off the vehicles and use it to buy more Avengers.
- Missile Launchers on Guardians isn't overly cost efficient. I don't imagine you'll be up against many flyers in a 600 point game, so they're better off with a Bright Lance or Starcannon.
- Vectored Engines on a Vyper is useless since their Armour is 10 on all facings. Pivoting after you shoot has absolutely no benefit. As a side note - due to the fragile nature of Vypers, it's usually beneficial to run them as glass cannons so they don't set you back so much when they die. Right now you've got a 125 point AV10 vehicle with 2HP. Instead, you could have TWO Vypers with Shuriken Cannons and Bright Lances for 5 points cheaper.
- A single warlock, while being an incredibly cheap HQ choice, really won't do anything in the game. They're not independent characters, so he'll just be a single wound T3 model with a 4+ invuln wandering around the table. I'd suggest taking a Spiritseer instead. It's relatively cheap, can join your other units, and can cast beneficial spells (like psychic shriek)

So, trying to optimize the units you've chosen for the list, how about something like:
- Spiritseer
- 10 Dire Avengers: Exarch, Power Weapon/Shimmer Shield
- Wave Serpent: Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields
- 10 Guardians: Bright Lance or Starcannon
- 1 Vyper: Bright Lance and Shuriken Cannon
- 1 Vyper: Bright Lance and Shuriken Cannon

I'd throw the Avengers in the Serpent and it to deliver them into the face of whatever enemy unit you want so they can get their full unit strength of shooting in. If you're up against a Melee Army, make sure you don't put the Spiritseer with the Avengers, since it will prevent them from being able to overwatch at BS2. If you're up against a shooty army, then put the Spiritseer with the Avengers so he can pop out of the serpent with them and psychic shriek stuff. Run the Vypers in separate units so that they can cover more objectives and damage doesn't spill over and kill them both from a single shooting attack.

As an option - If you take one Vyper out and remove the Holo Fields from the Serpent, you could fit a min squad of Dark Reapers into the list. They generally perform very well at lower points levels.

Thanks everyone's who's replied, especially Bojazz, those points are very valid, and I shall take them into consideration, I'm new to Eldar, so don't know their mechanics too well, thanks

The other option, which would be my preference, would be to ditch a vyper and upgrade the spiritseer to a farmer with the spirit stone and a singing spear. I'm pretty sure the points remain the same. But I think it give you more prersonally.

BTW, Don't include the points cost of individual upgrades. It's against the forum rules. Just list the total cost of each unit.