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I play a Tzeentch flying circus with 2 princes (both ML3) and roll biomancy for them pretty much all the time and divination for the LoC (malefic is done by the horrors and heralds).

I've been playing for a few months now and I think it's time to deviate from the simple approach and mix things up a bit.

I was thinking to rolling some (1 out of 3) telekinesis (and new change for the LoC) to help if there is a lot of vehicles with AV 12+ (enough flickering fire can deal with AV10 and 11).

Not telepathy because you need to devote more dice to get a decent chance at the good stuff.

How often do you use not biomancy?

I usually don't take Daemon Princes because I think Lords of Change are superior in almost every way. A Lord of Change with two greater rewards and one lesser, level 3 psyker is cheaper than a Daemon Prince with the same load-out and superior imho because of its T6 (no ID from S10). A Lord of Change with Iron Arm is a pain to dislogde for your enemy (give him the Tzeentch lesser reward staff, so even without Iron Arm he attacks with S8).

On Psychic powers; Biomancy is very strong on any MC (as sad Tyranid players can tell you). I occasionally go with 2 Change powers, but as I play against a Grey Knights player, shooting Psychic powers rarely do something. Telepathy can also be strong depending on your enemy. I am not a big fan of Telekinesis.

 Hansisaf wrote:
I usually don't take Daemon Princes because I think Lords of Change are superior in almost every way. A Lord of Change with two greater rewards and one lesser, level 3 psyker is cheaper than a Daemon Prince with the same load-out and superior imho because of its T6 (no ID from S10). A Lord of Change with Iron Arm is a pain to dislogde for your enemy (give him the Tzeentch lesser reward staff, so even without Iron Arm he attacks with S8).

On Psychic powers; Biomancy is very strong on any MC (as sad Tyranid players can tell you). I occasionally go with 2 Change powers, but as I play against a Grey Knights player, shooting Psychic powers rarely do something. Telepathy can also be strong depending on your enemy. I am not a big fan of Telekinesis.

I dont think a LOC can have iron arm, it cannot access biomancy.

I usally use ml3 DPs and roll 2 dices for biomancy( 1 dice if I get iron arm at the first time) and roll last one for telepathy. If it failed to get invisibilty I change it to primaris power.

 buo-ong wrote:

 Hansisaf wrote:
I usually don't take Daemon Princes because I think Lords of Change are superior in almost every way. A Lord of Change with two greater rewards and one lesser, level 3 psyker is cheaper than a Daemon Prince with the same load-out and superior imho because of its T6 (no ID from S10). A Lord of Change with Iron Arm is a pain to dislogde for your enemy (give him the Tzeentch lesser reward staff, so even without Iron Arm he attacks with S8).

On Psychic powers; Biomancy is very strong on any MC (as sad Tyranid players can tell you). I occasionally go with 2 Change powers, but as I play against a Grey Knights player, shooting Psychic powers rarely do something. Telepathy can also be strong depending on your enemy. I am not a big fan of Telekinesis.

I dont think a LOC can have iron arm, it cannot access biomancy.

I usally use ml3 DPs and roll 2 dices for biomancy( 1 dice if I get iron arm at the first time) and roll last one for telepathy. If it failed to get invisibilty I change it to primaris power.

You are absolutely right. I will have to explain to my friends that I have been cheating :(

Divination on the LoC is good, I'm pretty sure precognition was written with 2 wound characters in mind, add a staff and it's better than iron arm, gets almost all its wounds through and try to kill it on the ground where it can beat things.

I agree that LoC is better than a prince, but if you take 2 you don't get any heralds and you can only take 2.
Unless you go double CAD, 4 squads of horrors is plenty of warp charges 1220 for 4 LoC and 396 for 4x11 horrors makes 1614, drop one LoC and take some heralds for a daemon factory at 1500 .

I see your point, but how often do you get invisibility and how useful is shriek? Telekinesis has 3(ish) answers to vehicles so 50% chance of something to deal with that issue... What am I missing?

I should add that the reason I'm thinking along these lines is the ing superheavies that my friends bring because my list is apparently OP.
Don't want to assault them, best case I probably still lose my FMC(s) in the explosion, so I thought stay in the air and telekinesis while the LoC and other DP dodge it and try to murder something near objectives?

Lash of Slaanesh and Iron Arm is good. Particularly as AA