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Using the Malefuc power. Do you need to be Chaos or can anyone summon?

 Matthew wrote:
Using the Malefuc power. Do you need to be Chaos or can anyone summon?

This is answered in the BRB

If they have access to Malefic then they can use the Malefic discipline to summon demons.

Also note that Khorne Daemonkin do not need Psykers to Summon Daemons. One of their army's quirks.

The BRB states that ALL psykers have access to Daemonology. SInce the BRB was released, however, subsequent Codex releases have clarified WHICH Daemonology an army has access to. For Example, Grey Kngihts, Eldar and Harlequin Psykers specifically have access to Sanctic Deamonology. This would indicate that they cannot summon Daemons, since they don't; have access to Malefic

 Galef wrote:
The BRB states that ALL psykers have access to Daemonology. SInce the BRB was released, however, subsequent Codex releases have clarified WHICH Daemonology an army has access to. For Example, Grey Kngihts, Eldar and Harlequin Psykers specifically have access to Sanctic Deamonology. This would indicate that they cannot summon Daemons, since they don't; have access to Malefic

I dont know about harlequins, but the eldar book does not specify santic


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Also, the brb has always stated that grey knights cannot take malefic and daemons cannot take santic

 jokerkd wrote:
I dont know about harlequins, but the eldar book does not specify santic

Really?

"Eldrad Ulthran generates his powers from the Daemonology (Sanctic), Divination, Runes of Fate and Telepathy disciplines."

"A Farseer or Farseer Skyrunner generates his powers from the Daemonology (Sanctic), Divination, Runes of Fate and Telepathy disciplines."

"A Warlock Conclave generates its powers from the Daemonology (Sanctic) and Runes of Battle disciplines."

 jokerkd wrote:
I dont know about harlequins, but the eldar book does not specify santic

I don't know which Eldar codex you have, because pages 99, 109, 110, and 111 of Craftworld Eldar are all very specific regarding Daemonology.

Darn you Mr. Shine. I didn't have my codex on hand and had to run away to look up page numbers.

I have loads of fun watching my opponents face when I rock up with three ML2 weirdboyz rolling on 9 warp charge and summon a bloodthirster turn 1. Its really not very effective but super fun!

If you are summoning daemons with a psyker that isn't a daemon you perils a lot more easily. On a WC3 power like summoning you have to accept that you'll be getting perils almost all the time so the payoff needs to be worth it or just for fluffing fun!

So is it smart to summon some Daemons every now and then as Space Wolves? I guess they could be some really Daemon-y Wulfen...

Legally, of course you can. Even fluff-wise, you can spin it as summoning the 13th legion and summon some Khorne daemons, using Wulfen models instead, and that'd be pretty epic.

However, you will get glares from the Inquisition. It is heresy after all.

 Yarium wrote:
Legally, of course you can. Even fluff-wise, you can spin it as summoning the 13th legion and summon some Khorne daemons, using Wulfen models instead, and that'd be pretty epic.

However, you will get glares from the Inquisition. It is heresy after all.

So me saying they're actually Space Wolves that have been in the warp waaaaaaaaaaay to long would be pretty fluffy? I like it.

 Matthew wrote:

 Yarium wrote:
Legally, of course you can. Even fluff-wise, you can spin it as summoning the 13th legion and summon some Khorne daemons, using Wulfen models instead, and that'd be pretty epic.

However, you will get glares from the Inquisition. It is heresy after all.

So me saying they're actually Space Wolves that have been in the warp waaaaaaaaaaay to long would be pretty fluffy? I like it.

Indeed, but you really need to pick specific units to summon to be able to "sell" it. You can get some Chaos Warhound models to be mutated Fenrisian wolves as FleshHounds. Riderless TWC can be summoned as count as Blood Crushers. Keep along those lines and you should be fine.

For a brief time (before the recent codex) Eldar could summon Daemonettes (which would NEVER happen). However it was easy to use Harlequin models (both have T3, rending and a 5++) and say that the Farseer was opening a portal through the Webway.

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Some books may specify that a psyker cannot summon as well. An example would be the Renegade Psyker from IA:13. Their book states they cannot select powers from the BrB, and must generate from their own little table. Not sure if any standard codex units do this as well.

Some special characters are limited as well, such as Njal from Space wolves. I believe he is only allowed to roll on SW powers.

 Matthew wrote:
Using the Malefuc power. Do you need to be Chaos or can anyone summon?

Yeah, it's a bit silly, but most psykers do have access to malefic daemonology - unless your psyker's sheet says he can't use daemonlogy, he can, per the BRB.

HOWEVER. It is important to note that unless the psyker also has the daemon USR, they suffer PoTW on any doubles, not just double 6s. And if you're trying to use summon, there is literally only one possible result that will succeed and not perils - roll exactly 6 dice, and get exactly one of each: 1,2,3,4,5, 6.

So, while you can use a librarian to summon demons, it's not terribly wise. Unless you're lucky at managing perils.

 Matthew wrote:

 Yarium wrote:
Legally, of course you can. Even fluff-wise, you can spin it as summoning the 13th legion and summon some Khorne daemons, using Wulfen models instead, and that'd be pretty epic.

However, you will get glares from the Inquisition. It is heresy after all.

So me saying they're actually Space Wolves that have been in the warp waaaaaaaaaaay to long would be pretty fluffy? I like it.

Yeup. Then there's the Wolves that joined up with the Tyrant Huron.

OR if you are feeling like a little fun, there are the Space Wolves of the Dornian Heresy which turned to Khorne instead of the World Eaters after the meeting at Nykea. Information can be found on the Bolter and Chainsword site.

Or Scyrah's Dark Wolves, or whatever happened to the Wolfbrothers successor Chapter - there could be a few renegades from them wandering around if you like.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:


HOWEVER. It is important to note that unless the psyker also has the daemon USR, they suffer PoTW on any doubles, not just double 6s. And if you're trying to use summon, there is literally only one possible result that will succeed and not perils - roll exactly 6 dice, and get exactly one of each: 1,2,3,4,5, 6.

So, while you can use a librarian to summon demons, it's not terribly wise. Unless you're lucky at managing perils.

That's not the only possible way, you can of course try and summon on 3, 4 or 5 dice. Formation special rules may allow you to harness warp charge on a 2+ or 3+.

For example, Tiggy in a Conclave is very reliable at summoning on 3 dice.

Good points - I guess my overall point should have been that it's very difficult to both reliably and safely cast 3- WC spells with a standard psyker without getting any doubles.

I'm surprised no one pointed out that Tyranids cannot summon Daemons. THAT would be interesting if it were allowed to happen...

The latest codexes have limited the number of armies who could use Malefic. The BRB actually started the restriction at only Tyranids and Grey Knights (p.28). Codexes since then have built on these restrictions. For thoroughness, the BRB also restricted Tyranids and Psykers with the Daemon special rule from casting Sanctic powers at all. I'm not sure what other Psykers since then can only use Malefic.

AM can only draw from divination, biomancy, pyromancy, and telekenisis except for the astropath, who has to roll on telepathy.

slip wrote:
AM can only draw from divination, biomancy, pyromancy, and telekenisis except for the astropath, who has to roll on telepathy.

Check their FAQ, they have daemonology added (their codex was made before 7ed)

I don't have my rulebook with me but I think that the only exceptions are that grey knights can't use malefic and daemons can't use sanctic.